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  • #91

    Translation




    Expel the darkness of the "Taliban Mother"



    The book "And there was my mother graves" from a child presents a unique look and



    interesting one painful episodes known society



    Yotam Schwimmer



    Published: 25/01/12, 12:19



    Some believe that the novel mimics reality. Some argue that the novel is a reflection



    of reality or means to look it unique and original perspective. His first book, "And there was my



    mother graves," Operation Attorney Yair Nehorai ************************ual juggling quite impressive,



    call for a re-examination of these statements. Similar to many novels throughout history,



    the book is based on a true story. Is not a biography of the main character, but fed



    significant biographical attributes, and was written after the author's familiarity with the character of the narrator.




    As mentioned, writing prose following true incident happened - and most excited state,



    or the author's heart - is not new. One familiar example is the work of Truman Capote,



    "In Cold Blood," also written following the violent incident. Indeed, something extraordinary



    intensity of the event is also B"othi graves of my mother. " Nehorai select fragmentary



    writing, almost Ankodtlit, delivered in the first person from a child, aged six to 15 years



    of age. The child under a regime of terror imposed on his mother, for reasons of religion



    and modesty. Affinity affair "Taliban mother 'clear and delivered directly.




    "Mother Taliban." Reign of terror and modesty on religious grounds (Photo: AFP)



    Nehorai's decision to give the perspective of the child in the case - face conversations and in-depth



    familiarity with the subject - very interesting. He makes an unusual move, takes off his



    robe home - legal and literary means trying to draw a portrait of the child and how his life had



    been for nearly a decade. Nehorai, not a writer by profession and this is his first attempt



    at writing (to my knowledge), can jump over many hurdles faced. He does not fall into



    sentimentality or total identification with the character of the child narrator, does not show



    expression standard of a novel psychological contemporary despite the expectation that he



    would, and most impressive of all - is surprising ability to create space for ************************ flexible, which includes



    diagnoses mental fascinating, moving drama that leads to moments of suffocation of right and



    interweaving of their strict religious characteristics child grows By ************************ of the mundane. "



    The last principle is reflected in the design of a unique style compelling book. Bible



    verses (the title is taken from the book of Jeremiah), sermons, haredi world expressions and



    characteristics of behavior and language is determined to raise the children by order of her



    heart; All these are combined naturally fragmented monologues, delivered from a number. Monologues are not relying the characteristics mentioned earlier. contrary, the language more freely, feeding characteristics of the langua



    ge and teachings of the mother, but also introduce a new language, cumbersome and bright alike.



    language is beneficial to describe the emotions raging of the number, and the impact of the past



    on the figure in the present, as monologues are actually dialogues of the son with his mother, and his



    new challenges largely on the lip of her. speech is a real power in the face of silence, the exit light



    is the expulsion of the darkness in which he lived all these years, and a de************************************ion of his experiences



    actually the first person is a statement of strength against oppression



    Unique style, double meaning



    Dialogue with the mother appears on almost every page. They direct reference obsessive awareness



    of the existence and authority ("Mother never warned, suddenly choked me from



    behind," or "God sees everything, even Mother") and refraction of the image every



    movement and utterance during the maturation of a number. The real power of the book is



    sensational combination between outrageous situation and the clarity with which it is supplied.



    As the mind of the narrator, the book opens at the end and a lack of understanding,



    and as we progress, it begins to appear disillusionment. But it is not immediate, and does not



    appear after the peak feature leading turnaround. Awakening is gradual, measured, almost



    imperceptible, and exists both in the narrative itself and the language - which becomes sharper



    and more intense, even if it is still evident traces of trauma.



    Style that established the school building gives the story a double meaning. On the one hand,



    monologues give the authority the child narrator thus empowering the individual voice.



    On the other hand, these short monologues, fragmented and scattered, some minor situations



    describe (apparently, but not limited to), feelings - heart, prayers and daily way of life.



    So actually formed strong but faltering voice, childlike yet mature, confident, and full of anxiety



    together. These two poles are throughout the book and described through the complex mental



    processes undergone by the narrator - coping with the mother,



    Through the absence of a father to find warmth and love for his sister. Since all of which comprise



    a number adolescence, heart ached and light smart design of the story, the emotional power



    inherent in the ************************ can go to the readers.


    "And there was my mother graves" is an exceptional ************************ and very interesting in many ways.
    In my opinion, you could give up the prologue and the author's note because it seems that all aim to
    clarify for what and for whom the book was written. Repetition that it is a fictional character that has
    nothing to do with reality and deliberately did not intend to present a negative
    light Haredi society as
    a whole unnecessary to me. To these observations, whether they are true or not, had to leave the interpretation
    of readers. However, I believe that Nehorai's book presents a unique look and interesting one painful
    episodes known Israeli society and moves he makes literary book significantly deviate from the familiar and accepted



    .





    4 שנותמאסרל"אמאטליבאן"; האבישבחצישנה



    במשךתשעשניםנהגההאםמבית-שמש



    להצליףבילדים, לנעולאותםמחוץלביתבקורולכבותעלגופםגפרורים. השופטת, ששלחהאותהואתבעלהלמאסר, קבעה:



    "שיקוליגמולמחייביםמתןביטוילהוקעהולסלידהשבמעשיהםשלהנאשמיםעלדרךשלמאסרבפועל"



    אביעדגליקמן


    שמונה חודשים על כל התעללות בילד:
    ארבע שנות מאסר בפועל נגזרו אחר הצהריים (יום ג') על
    האשה מבית-שמש שכונתה "אמא טליבאן", בבית המשפט המחוזי בירושלים. היא הורשעה בהתעללות קשה בשישה
    מ-12 ילדיה. בעלה של האשה נשלח לחצי שנת מאסר בפועל. בנוסף לעונשי המאסר בפועל נגזרו על האם ועל
    האב חצי שנת מאסר על תנאי. אבי המשפחה יהיה תחת פיקוח קצין מבחן במשך שנה.
    בנימוקים לעונש קבעה השופטת נאוה בן-אור, כי "הנאשמים אינם מסוכנים עוד לילדיהם". היא ציינה שרבים מילדיהם בגירים העומדים

    ברשות עצמם. בגזר הדין ניתן מקום בין היתר גם לסיכוי לשקם את הנאשמים. "בהתנהלותה ובאורחות חייה, קשה לדבר במושגים
    של שיקום", כתבה בהתייחסה לאם. "גם הפסיכיאטרית שבדקה אותה מטעם הפסיכיאטר המחוזי, חיוותה דעתה כי אמונותיה אינן
    ניתנות לערעור. מפני שאין היא סובלת ממחלת נפש, אין מקומה במוסד פסיכיאטרי", קבעה השופטת, תוך שהיא מורה לשירותי הרווחה
    לסייע לאם למצוא פתרון שיאפשר לה "חיים מתקבלים על הדעת" בעת מאסרה.



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    • #92
      הרווחה
      לסייע לאם למצוא פתרון שיאפשר לה "חיים מתקבלים על הדעת" בעת מאסרה.






      "לא מסוכנת לילדים". האם בבית המשפט (צילום: גיל יוחנן)
      [COLOR=window************************]בנוגע לשיקום האב קבעה השופטת: "נראה כי הוא מצוי במאמץ כן לשקם בעיקר את חיי ילדיו, ומשאביו הרגשיים [/COLOR]

      [COLOR=window************************]והפיזיים מופנים לאפיק זה. שירות המבחן סבור כי הוא מהווה היום דמות משמעותית עבור ילדיו הקטינים". [/COLOR]
      [COLOR=window************************]בנוגע להחלטה לגבי חומרת העונש, היא כתבה: "גם לאחר בחינת כל השיקולים הרלבנטיים ואיזונם, מסקנתי היא [/COLOR]

      [COLOR=window************************]כי שיקולי גמול מחייבים מתן ביטוי להוקעה ולסלידה שבמעשיהם של הנאשמים על דרך של מאסר בפועל. [/COLOR]
      [COLOR=window************************]עם זאת, יש להבחין בין הנאשמת, שהתעללה במהלך שנים ארוכות בילדיה באופן אקטיבי, לבין הנאשם שחטא בעיקר [/COLOR]
      [COLOR=window************************]במחדל קשה וממושך. כך גם יש ליתן ביטוי משמעותי לאופן בו מבקש עתה הנאשם לתקן את המעוות, ככל[/COLOR]
      [COLOR=window************************]שיוכל לתיקון, לבין גישתה של הנאשמת". [/COLOR]
      [COLOR=window************************]"הילדים נמצאים ברגשות מעורבים"[/COLOR]
      [COLOR=window************************]לדיון הגיעו שניים מילדיה של "אמא טליבאן". בסוף הדיון הם נראו מרוצים מהחלטת השופטת. בתום הדיון אמר[/COLOR]

      [COLOR=window************************]עורך דינם של הילדים, זרי חזן: "גזר הדין מדבר לראשונה בצורה ברורה על כך שבין שיקולי הענישה, נלקחו בחשבון[/COLOR]
      [COLOR=window************************]בקשות בני המשפחה להקל בענשה של האם. הילדים נמצאים ברגשות מעורבים. אנחנו מקווים שיתחשבו באם בבית [/COLOR]
      [COLOR=window************************]הסוהר ואולי אפילו יקצרו את עונשה. זו הפעם הראשונה שבית המשפט לוקח בצורה מאסיבית את טענות הילדים. אי אפשר[/COLOR]
      [COLOR=window************************]להגיד שאנחנו מרוצים, אבל אנחנו שמחים שהמשפט נגמר. הילדה הקטנה נמצאת במצב קשה וכבר כמה ימים היא לא ישנה.[/COLOR]
      [COLOR=window************************]זו לא הודעה קלה בשבילה, אבל אנחנו שמחים שבית המשפט לא הלך לפי הלך הרחוב". [/COLOR]
      [COLOR=window************************]פרקליטו של האב, עו"ד יאיר נהוראי, אמר: "נדמה לי כי בית המשפט איזן בין השיקולים השונים והתחשב מאוד במאמץ [/COLOR]

      [COLOR=window************************]הכביר שעשה האב בשנתיים האחרונות בבניית משפחתו מחדש ובבניית עצמו. הוא הקדיש זמן רב לאיזון בין השיקולים [/COLOR]
      [COLOR=window************************]ונדמה לנו שגזר הדין משקף נכונה את המציאות. האב היה בחרדות קשות שהוא לא ייכנס לכלא לתקופה ארוכה, הוא קצת נרגע. [/COLOR]
      [COLOR=window************************]עיקר עניינו עכשיו יהיה הטיפול בילדים". [/COLOR]
      [COLOR=window************************]התובע, עו"ד דן בהט, מרוצה גם הוא מההחלטה לגזור חצי שנת מאסר על האב: "בית המשפט שלח היום מסר [/COLOR]

      [COLOR=window************************]חד משמעי, שמי שמתעלל בילדיו ייכנס לכלא. זו הפעם ראשונה שמושת עונש על הורה שמעורב בפרשה כזו בצורה [/COLOR]
      [COLOR=window************************]פאסיבית. כל הורה צריך לדאוג לילדיו ולדווח על התעללות שנערכת בהם". [/COLOR]




      תשע שנות התעללות


      [COLOR=window************************]במשך כתשע שנים נהגו היא ובעלה להכות את ילדיהם נמרצות באמצעות כלים שהיו בבית ולהצליף בהם בחגורות[/COLOR]
      [COLOR=window************************]ובכבלים. הם אף נעלו את הילדים מחוץ לבית - בתנאי קור קשים - כשלא עשו כדבריהם. באחד המקרים[/COLOR]
      [COLOR=window************************]שפורט ב[/COLOR][COLOR=window************************][COLOR=window************************]כתב האישום[/COLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=window************************], כיבתה על חזהו של בנה גפרור ואף שפכה אקונומיקה על כפפות השוער שברשותו, לאחר [/COLOR]
      [COLOR=window************************]ששיחק כדורגל בניגוד להוראותיה. [/COLOR]
      [COLOR=window************************]מעשי ההתעללות היו חלק מהתנהלות דתית מחמירה באופן קיצוני, שבמסגרתה הסתירה האם את גופה ופניה,[/COLOR]

      [COLOR=window************************]וחלק מהילדים לא ראו את פניה במשך שנים.[/COLOR]
      [COLOR=window************************]היא אף נהגה במנהגי אבלות קיצוניים כאשר מידת דתיותם של ילדיה לא השביעה את רצונה, כגון קריעת בגדים.[/COLOR]

      [COLOR=window************************]במקרים אחרים התעלמה מחלק מהילדים במשך תקופות ארוכות.[/COLOR]
      [COLOR=window************************]האשה הורשעה בהתעללות בקטין ותקיפה בנסיבות מחמירות, בעלה הורשע בהתעללות, בתקיפה ובאי דיווח על התעללות.[/COLOR]
      [COLOR=window************************]אחרי [/COLOR][COLOR=window************************][COLOR=window************************]חשיפת הפרשה[/COLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=window************************], לפני יותר משנה וחצי, משפטה של "אמא טליבאן" התנהל בדלתיים סגורות, כאשר במהלכו היא [/COLOR]

      [COLOR=window************************]סירבה להעיד כשפניה חשופות. לאחר ההרשעה, [/COLOR][COLOR=window************************][COLOR=window************************]ביקשו ילדיה לנקוט בה במידת הרחמים[/COLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=window************************], וגם יצאו למאבק משפטי לשיפור[/COLOR]
      [COLOR=window************************]תנאי כליאתה. אחרי [/COLOR][COLOR=window************************][COLOR=window************************]פנייה לבית המשפט העליון[/COLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=window************************], הם אף שלחו [/COLOR][COLOR=window************************][COLOR=window************************]מכתב לצלב האדום[/COLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=window************************] טוענים בטענה שהיא "כלואה בתנאים[/COLOR]
      [COLOR=window************************]של זוהמה והרעבה, תוך פגיעה חמורה בזכויות היסוד שלה".[/COLOR]


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      • #93
        Translation

        4 years in prison ma Taliban "; father spent six months

        For nine years she used is from - Sun whipping children, lock them outside in the cold and turn

        on their matches. The judge, who sent her and her husband to prison, stated: "reward

        considerations require the expression of condemnation and disgust the actions of the defendants by way of imprisonment"

        Aviad Glickman

        Eight months on all child abuse: four years in prison sentenced this afternoon (Tuesday), the woman

        from - Sun called "Mother Taliban", the Jerusalem District Court. She was convicted of severe

        abuse in six of the 12 children. The woman's husband was sent to six months in prison.

        In addition to the prison sentence imposed on the mother and father a half year suspended sentence.

        The father will be under the supervision of a probation officer for a year.

        Sentencing arguments, Judge Nava Ben - Or, that "defendants are not dangerous even to

        their children." She noted that many of their children at their own adult. Sentence can be

        anywhere among others the chance to rebuild the defendants. "Conduct and way of life, it is

        difficult to talk in terms of rehabilitation," wrote referring to the mother. "The psychiatrist

        who examined her on behalf of the district psychiatrist, has stated its opinion that the beliefs

        are inalienable. Because she does not suffer from a mental illness, there is no place in a psychiatric

        institution," the judge ruled, while a teacher to social services to help the mother find a solution

        that would allow a "reasonable life" during her imprisonment.

        "Not dangerous for children." Is in court (Photo: AFP)

        About rehabilitation Father Judge: "It seems that he is the genuine effort to rebuild mainly

        the children's lives, and emotional and physical resources are directed to this channel.

        Probation Service believes that it is now a significant figure for the minor children."

        About the decision regarding the severity of the sentence, she wrote: "Even after considering

        all relevant considerations and balance, I conclude that considerations of reward merit an

        expression of condemnation and disgust the actions of the defendants by way of imprisonment.

        However, must be distinguished from the defendant, abuse over many years of her children

        actively, and the defendant sin especially long and hard failure. so significant expression

        should be given to how the defendant now seeks to make amends, as he can repair, and the attitude of the defendant. "

        "The kids are mixed feelings"

        Discussion, two of the children of "Mother Taliban." At the end of the discussion they

        were satisfied with the judge's decision. Following the discussion, said their attorney

        of children, bouquets Cantor: "Sentence first speaks clearly that between sentencing

        considerations were taken into account requests for family members to facilitate punishment

        of the mother. Kids are mixed feelings. We hope to make allowances if in prison and maybe even

        shorten her sentence . the first time that the court takes massively the claims of the children.

        You can not say we're satisfied, but we are happy that the trial is over. little girl is in serious

        condition and for days she was not. was not informed easy for her, but we are pleased that the

        court did not go According went to the street. "

        The father's attorney, Yair Nehorai, said: "It seems to me that the Court balanced the various

        considerations and thoughtful father did enormous effort the last two years building and re-building his own.

        He devoted much time to the balance between the considerations and we think the sentence correctly

        reflect reality. The father was serious anxieties he out of jail for a long time, he relaxed a little.

        The main concern now will be child care. "

        The prosecutor, Attorney Dan Bahat, is also pleased with the decision to cut half a year in prison,

        Father: "Today the court sent an unequivocal message that anyone who abuses his children out of jail.

        First time penalty is imposed on a parent involved in this matter in a passive. Every parent should take

        care of children and report the abuse takes place in them. "

        Nine years of abuse

        For nine years she and her husband used to beat the children actively using the tools in the house and

        whipping them with belts and cables. They even locked the children out of the

        house - severe cold conditions - when did words. In one case described in the indictment, turned on her

        son's chest and poured bleach match the goalkeeper gloves in his possession, after playing football against instructions.

        Abuses were part of a strict religious conduct in the extreme, in which the contradiction is the body

        and face, and some of the children did not see her for years.

        She also used extreme mourning customs when the degree of religiosity of children not satisfying,

        such as tearing clothes. In other cases, ignored some of the children for long periods.

        The woman was convicted of abuse of a minor and aggravated assault, her husband was convicted

        of abuse, assault and not reporting the abuse.

        After exposure of the case, more than a year and a half, the trial of the "Taliban mother" took place

        behind closed doors, during which she refused to testify with her face exposed. After conviction, asked

        her children to take her compassion, and went out legal battle to improve conditions of confinement.

        After an appeal to the Supreme Court, they even sent a letter to the Red Cross claim saying she

        was "trapped in conditions of squalor and starvation, thus severely undermining its fundamental rights."

        מלחמת החרדים בטליבאן


        בתחילה זה נראה כתופעה שולית, אך כשהתברר ש"נשות הטליבאן" לא שולחות את ילדיהם ללמוד בשל בעיות צניעות, ולעתים מסכנות את חיי

        משפחתן בשם העקרון הקדוש - בעדה החרדית החליטו להוקיע אותן:

        "עקרו דעת תורה מישראל"



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        • #94
          [COLOR=window************************][COLOR=window************************]קובי נחשוני[/COLOR] [/COLOR]


          לא רואות ממטר: אחרי שנים של התעלמות מכוונת, בשבועות האחרונים חל מפנה ביחס החרדים לקהילת נשות הטליבאן,

          הן החרדיות שמכסות את פניהן בבד שחור מטעמי צניעות. בית הדין (בד"ץ) של העדה החרדית, המנהיג את החסידויות

          הקיצוניות במאה שערים, פתח במאבק ב"נשות הרעלות" - כפי שהן נקראות ברחוב החרדי - ובאופן נדיר "תוקף משמאל"

          תופעה דתית-קיצונית ומוקיע אותה מתוך עמדה מתונה יותר.

          [COLOR=window************************]עוד בערוץ ה

          [COLOR=window************************]עד לאחרונה, בחברה החרדית לא מצאו עניין ביציאה למאבק, ואולם הצטברות של עדויות מהשבועות האחרונים על[/COLOR]
          [COLOR=window************************]מעללי [/COLOR][COLOR=window************************][COLOR=window************************]נשות הטליבאן[/COLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=window************************] הציתו את אש המלחמה. רבני העדה הבינו כי אותן נשים הוציאו מכלל פרופורציה את עניין ה[/COLOR][COLOR=window************************][COLOR=window************************]צניעות[/COLOR][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=window************************]שאותו הפכו לחזות הכל. בין היתר התברר כי בשל צניעות הנשים מונעות מבעליהן קיום יחסי מין (אלא במקרים מיוחדים), [/COLOR]
          [COLOR=window************************]אוסרות עליהם לראות את בנותיהם-שלהם(!), וכופות על הילדים נישואים בגיל צעיר בניגוד לרצונם. לטענת החרדים, נשות[/COLOR]
          [COLOR=window************************]הטליבאן התאגדו והפכו לכת אנרכיסטית ומסוכנת, שפוגעת במשפחות בשם הדת.[/COLOR]
          [COLOR=window************************]בתום ישיבה מיוחדת של הבד"ץ - הסמכות הדתית-רוחנית העליונה בעדה החרדית - פורסם כרוז תחת הכותרת "קריאה[/COLOR]

          [COLOR=window************************]קדושה על קדושת בתי ישראל" ובו הוגדרו [/COLOR][COLOR=window************************][COLOR=window************************]נשות הטליבאן[/COLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=window************************] "קבוצת נשים שעקרו דעת תורה מישראל, ומדעת עצמן מנהיגות".[/COLOR]
          [COLOR=window************************]הרבנים מזהירים את בנות ישראל ש"צריכים להתרחק ממנהגיהם ומדרכיהם, כי סופן לאבדון וכליה". [/COLOR]

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          גילוי הדעת של הבד"ץ. לחצו לפתיחה

          [COLOR=window************************]הכרוז גרר שרשרת פעולות מחאה נגד הנשים הקיצוניות, ואף נגד רבנים הנחשדים כמשתפי פעולה עימן. במאה שערים [/COLOR]
          [COLOR=window************************]התקיימו הפגנות בהשתתפות עשרות ולעתים מאות, שמחו נגד התופעה - כשבין המפגינים גם בני משפחות של נשות הטליבאן, המתנגדים לדרכן. [/COLOR]
          צניעות מעל[COLOR=window************************]תופעת "נשות הרעלות" התפתחה בשנים האחרונות בעיקר בירושלים ובבית שמש, ושותפות לה עשרות[/COLOR]

          [COLOR=window************************]נשים – חרדיות שהגיעו מחצרות העדה החרדית, או נשים שחזרו בתשובה. [/COLOR]

          נשים אלו שיכללו והקצינו מנהג ישן, שהיה מקובל במשך עשרות שנים בחלקים מהחברה

          החרדית, לעטוף את אזור

          הצוואר והחזה בצעיף עבה. במקום זאת, הן בחרו ללבוש שחורים ולכסות את פניהן לחלוטין, תוך שהן רואות את

          מנהגי הצניעות של הנשים המוסלמיות כמודל לחיקוי

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          אמא ובתה מ"כת" הטליבאן (צילום: יצחק טסלר)

          [COLOR=window************************]עם השנים החריפה עוד התופעה וקמו כמה מנהיגות לא רשמיות ל"כת", והן משפיעות על חברותיהן שלא להישמע[/COLOR]
          [COLOR=window************************]להוראות הרבנים. חלק מהנשים בקבוצה הנהיגו את קוד הלבוש המחמיר גם על בנותיהן הקטינות, והן נמנעות מלשלוח את [/COLOR]
          [COLOR=window************************]ילדיהן למוסדות חינוך שבהם אנשי הצוות אינם נוהגים כמותן. לתפיסתן, הן מקריבות את עצמן ואת כבודן למען גאולת [/COLOR]
          [COLOR=window************************]ישראל, ולכן גם מוכנות לספוג באהבה את העלבונות המוטחים בהן. [/COLOR]
          [COLOR=window************************]"קו פרשת המים" במאבק החרדי נגד "נשות הרעלות" היה כשנחשפו שתי עדויות מדאיגות במיוחד על הנעשה בחברתן.[/COLOR]

          [COLOR=window************************]במקרה הראשון ילדה אחת מהנשים בביתה ולא בבית חולים, מאחר שסירבה להכניס את עצמה למצב "לא צנוע".[/COLOR]
          [COLOR=window************************]היולדת לא שינתה את החלטתה ולא פינתה את התינוק למוסד רפואי גם כאשר הלידה הסתבכה, ונשקפה סכנה לחייו. [/COLOR]
          [COLOR=window************************]לבסוף עשה זאת בניגוד לרצונה פראמדיק שהוזעק לטפל ברך הנולד - ובית החולים דאג לערב בפרשה את הרווחה ואת הרבנים. [/COLOR]
          [COLOR=window************************]במקרה נוסף סיכמו שתיים ממנהיגות הקבוצה על חתונה לילדיהם – בן 16 ובת 23 – מבלי ליידע על כך את הזוג עצמו,[/COLOR]

          [COLOR=window************************]או את אבותיו. הנשים קיימו את טקס החתונה בניגוד לרצון החתן הקטין, וכתוצאה מכך הוא ביקש להתגרש [/COLOR]
          [COLOR=window************************]מאשתו כעבור זמן קצר. משסירבה אשתו לקבל גט, החליט הבעל הטרי להינשא לצעירה נוספת – מעשה ביגמיה[/COLOR]
          [COLOR=window************************]המנוגד לחוק ואף שנוי במחלוקת הלכתית. [/COLOR]
          [COLOR=window************************]הפגנות במאה שערים[/COLOR]
          [COLOR=window************************]אחד האישים שבמרכז הפרשה הוא הרב אהרון רומפלר, שברחוב החרדי מאשימים במתן גיבוי רוחני לנשים. הוא נדרש [/COLOR]

          [COLOR=window************************]כמה פעמים להצהיר שהוא מתנגד לתופעה, לבל יחשוד הציבור כי הבד"ץ התכוון אליו [/COLOR]
          [COLOR=window************************]כאשר הוקיע את כל "מי שהיה לו חלק ונחלה עם הדבר הזה", אך לא עשה כן - גם כאשר נחשפו עדויות מפלילות על [/COLOR]

          [COLOR=window************************]קשר שהוא מקיים עם חלק מהנשים.[/COLOR]
          [COLOR=window************************]מקורבי הרב הסבירו כי לא יכחיש שגילוי הדעת של הרבנים מתייחס אליו, משום שאין כל רמז לכך, ואם ייעשה כן יטענו [/COLOR]

          [COLOR=window************************]נגדו כי "על ראש הגנב בוער הכובע". לדבריהם, העובדה כי אשתו ובנות המשפחה שלו אינן מכסות את גופן ברעלות היא [/COLOR]
          [COLOR=window************************]כאלף עדים כי הוא אינו משתייך או מזדהה עם "כת הטליבאן". ההסברים לא הניחו את דעתם של פעילי המאבק, שכבר[/COLOR]
          [COLOR=window************************]הפגינו השבוע מול בית מדרשו ומול ביתו, ועל-פי הדיווחים אף התקבלו איומים על חייו. [/COLOR]
          [COLOR=window************************]בינתיים הנושא ממשיך להעסיק את כלי התקשורת החרדיים, שעטים על כל התפתחות ואמירה של רב בעניין. השאלה[/COLOR]

          [COLOR=window************************]הגדולה היא כמובן אם זה ייגמר בקרב איתנים, או בצניעות.[/COLOR]


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          האםמגיעהלביתהמשפט, היום (צילום: דודיועקנין)

          הטענההמרכזיתשלההגנהבמשפט

          הייתהשנאשמתאינהכשירה

          לעמודלדיןבשלהפרעהנפשיתדלוזיוניתשממנההיאסובלת, וכיהמעשיםהמיוחסיםלהבוצעובהיותהבמצבפסיכוטי. לטענת

          ההגנה, מחלתהנפשהתפתחהאצלהאשההחלמהולדתאחדמבניה, הסובלמפיגורשכלי - נקודהשהיוותה "קושבר" עבורה.

          בהמשךהעידושורהשלמומחיםשסיפקוחוותדעתנוספותושונותעלמצבההנפשי. פסיכיאטריתשבחנהאתהתנהגותהבמשךחמישה

          שבועותמטעםביתהמשפטקבעהכימעשיהנובעיםמאמונהדתיתולאממצבפסיכוטי. לטענתה, אףשהאםלוקהבהפרעתאישיותקשה

          ובהתנהלותהישמאפייניםשלהתנהגותאובססיביתוכפייתית, איןמדוברבמחלתנפשפסיכוטית. השופטת, נאוהבןאור, כתבהבפסק

          הדיןכיהיא "מעדיפהללאהיסוס" אתעדותהשלרופאהזו.

          "שגרה אכזרית, שיטתית"

          = 350) this.width = 350; return false;">

          "מדוברבשגרהאכזרית, שיטתית, שהתמשכהעלפנישניםרבותוארוכות", כתבההשופטת, והוסיפהכי "הנאשמתהייתהללאספק

          מודעתלטיבםשלמעשיה". גםלגביהאבכתבהכי "ללאספקהיהמודעלעוצמתההתעללות, ולמשמעותמחדלולמנועאותה".

          באחריתדברלהכרעתהדין, הוסיפההשופטתדבריביקורתקשיםעלסביבתההקרובהשלהמשפחה, שמעולםלאדיווחהעל

          הזוועותשהתחוללובקרבתה: "למעלהמ-25 שניםו-12 ילדים, ובמשךכלהשניםהארוכותהללולאחדרהענותםשלהילדים

          אתהקירותשהלכווגבהוסביבם... האחריותהישירהלמעשיםמוטלתעלהנאשמים, שפשעובילדיהם. איןהםרשאיםלחלוקבהעםאחרים. אךהאומנםיוכלוכלהאחריםלומר 'ידינולאשפכואתהדםהזה'?".

          להכרעתהדיןהגיעוכמהמילדיהםשלבניהזוג, והםנכחובאולםמהלךהקראתהכרעתהדין, ואףנישקווחיבקואתהאם. לאחרהדיון

          אמרפרקליטהשלהאם, עו"דגילדחוח: "צרלימאודשאשהחולה, שחריגהמאודגםלתרבותהוחריגהבאופןקיצונילנוףאותואנו

          מכירים, צריכהשידונואותהכמואדםבריא. צריךלהתייחסאליהכאדםעםליקוי, וחברהששופטתאנשיםכאלוסופהשתפלוטאותם".

          "צרלישאנונמדדיםבכליםמשפטייםולארואיםאתהחריגות, החוליואתכלהשונישלהאשההזו", הוסיףעו"דדחוח.

          "גםהפסיכיאטריםשלהמדינהאמרושישלהבעיהנפשית. צרלישעל

          חוטהשערהשופטיםאדםשהואלאבריא. זהוהלקוחהראשוןבחיישלאראיתיאתפניוולאשמעתיאתקולו, וככההחליטו

          לנהלפהמשפט, כשהלקוחאינויכוללהתייעץעםפרקליטו. זואשהשנמצאתבתוךעלטהולאיצאהמביתהעשרשנים,

          שעסוקהכלכולהבטקסיםוממלמלתמילים. מקומהלאבשורהאחתעםנאשמים, אלאהיאצריכהלהיותמטופלתעלידירופאים".

          = 350) this.width = 350; return false;">
          שנייםמילדיהםשלבניהזוג, כיוםבגירים, בביתהמשפט (צילום: דודיועקנין)

          התובעבתיק, עו"דדןבהטמפרקליטותמחוזירושלים, אמרמנגד: "ביתהמשפטקיבלאתעמדתהפרקליטותוקבע

          היוםשהנאשמתביצעהמעשיהתעללותבילדיהבמשך 25 שנה, מעשיםשחורגיםמעברלמהשמקובלבחברה. ביתהמשפט

          אףקבעשהאםכשירהלעמודלדיןומבדילהביןטובלרע. רובהילדיםחזרובמשפטעלמהשהעידובמשטרה. נשקולעכשיומחדש

          אתכלהנושאלגביהטיעוניםלעונש, כוללהעמדהשמציגיםחלקמהילדים".

          עקב המצוקה: גילוי עריות בין הילדים

          על-פי[COLOR=window************************]כתב[COLOR=window************************]האישום[/COLOR][COLOR=window************************]החמור[/COLOR]שהוגשבאפרילאשתקד, במשך 25 שניםנהגוהאםובעלהלהכותאתילדיהםנמרצותבאמצעותכלים[/COLOR]

          שהיובביתולהצליףבהםבחגורותובכבלים. הםאףנעלואתהילדיםמחוץלביתםכשלאעשוכדבריהם. באחדהמקריםשפורטבכתבהאישום

          , כיבתהעלחזהושלבנהגפרורואףשפכהאקונומיקהעלכפפותהשוערשברשותו, לאחרששיחקכדורגלבניגודלהוראותיה.

          ודעלהמכתבהאישום, כילנוכחהמצוקהשבההיושרויים, התפתחהביןחלקמהילדיםמערכתיחסיםשלגילויעריות - שממנההתעלמההאם.

          בסופושלדברנכללובכתבהאישוםעבירותהקשורותרקלשישהמ-12 הילדים, ביןהיתרבגללהתיישנותומשוםשחלקמהילדיםלאהעידו.

          משפטהשל "אמאטליבאן" התנהלבדלתייםסגורות, כאשרבמהלכוהיאסירבהלהעידכשפניהחשופות. ל-ynet נודעכיבחודשיםהאחרונים

          התקיימומגעיםביןעו"דחזןלנציגיהפרקליטות. חזןאףהעבירלהםמכתבשבוביקשלאלהרשיעאתהאם, מכיווןשהיאזקוקהלטיפול

          פסיכיאטרי. עודהואכתבכיהרשעתהושליחתהלמאסריפגעוקשהבבנימשפחתה.

          גיא אסיאג

          סגירת חלון

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            Translation

            Taliban Haredi War

            At first it seems marginal, but when it became 'married Taliban "do not send their children to

            study problems due modesty, and sometimes endanger the lives of their families in the

            name of holy principle - community member decided to condemn them:" Israel uprooted Torah opinion'

            Kobe Nahshoni

            Not seeing a meter: After years of deliberately ignoring the last few weeks took a turn about the

            ultra-Orthodox community of women of the Taliban, both Orthodox cover their faces with black

            cloth for modesty reasons. Court (Badatz) of the orthodox community, the Hasidic extremist

            leader in goals, opened the fight 'married poisoning "- as they are called in the Haredi

            street - and rarely" attacks left "religious phenomenon - an extreme and condemn it from a more moderate position.

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            Until recently, the haredi society did not fight on the matter, but the accumulation of evidence from recent weeks about the exploits of women in Taliban ignited the fire of war. Community rabbis understood that these women out of proportion to

            the interest of modesty that became all the rage. Among other things, it turned out that due to the

            modesty of women driven from their husbands having sex (except in special cases), forbid them

            to see their daughters - their (!), And impose the early marriage of children against their will.

            According to the ultra-Orthodox, the Taliban women banded together and became anarchic and dangerous

            planet, which targets families name of religion.

            After a special meeting of Badatz - religious authority - the upper spiritual community member - Published

            leaflet entitled "Reading articles about the sanctity of houses of Israel" with the Taliban women were

            defined as "a group of women who moved to Israel Torah opinion and our own leadership." Rabbis

            warn that the daughters of Israel S"tzrichim away from the customs and ways, the end to ruin and destruction. "

            Statement of Badatz. Click to open

            Auctioneer chain dragged women protests against extremism, and against the rabbis suspected collaborators

            with them. Mea Shearim demonstrations with dozens and sometimes hundreds, protesting against

            this phenomenon - when the protesters also the families of the women of the Taliban, who oppose their way.

            Humility above all

            The phenomenon of 'poisoning women "has emerged in recent years, particularly in Jerusalem

            and Beit Shemesh, and in partnership with dozens of women - ultra orthodox community who

            courtyards, or women returning back.

            These women include and radicalizing old custom, popular for decades in parts of the haredi

            society, wrap the neck and chest area of ​​a thick scarf. Instead, they chose to wear black and

            cover their faces completely, while they see the practice modesty of Muslim women as role models.

            Mother and daughter cult "Taliban (Photo: Yitzhak Tessler)

            Over the years, the phenomenon intensified and got some informal leadership cult ", and affect

            their friends not to abide by the rabbis. Some women in the group led the strict dress code on underage

            daughters, and refrain from sending their children to schools where staff do not act like them.

            Our views, they sacrifice themselves and their honor for the redemption of Israel, and therefore

            ready to absorb the insults heaped upon love them.

            "Watershed" in the fight against the ultra-Orthodox "Women poisoning" was as were two particularly

            worrisome evidence on what is happening with them. In the first case one of the women gave birth at

            home or in a hospital, because she refused to get herself into "immodest". Mother did not change its

            decision and gave the baby to a medical institution even when the birth was complicated and was in

            danger of his life. Finally did it against her will paramedic who was called to treat a newborn - and the

            hospital took care of the case involving the welfare and rabbis.

            In another case, two leaders of the group agreed on a wedding for their children - 16 and 23 - without

            having to inform the couple themselves, or the ancestors. The women held their wedding ceremony

            against the wishes of the groom minor, and as a result he wanted to divorce his wife shortly afterwards.

            When she refused to divorce his wife, new husband decided to marry another young man - an bigamy against the law and religious controversial.

            Demonstrations in Mea Shearim

            One of the central figures affair is Rabbi Aaron Rumpler, Orthodox Street accuse providing spiritual support to

            women. He required several times declared that he was opposed to the phenomenon, not to be suspicious

            public that meant Badatz

            When he condemned all "who had part in this thing," but he did not - even when exposed to incriminating

            evidence on the relationship he has with some women.

            Associates Rabbi explained that would deny that the discovery of the rabbis are referring to, because

            there is no indication that, if so would argue against that, "the head of the thief the hat burns." According

            to them, the fact that his wife and his family girls do not cover their bodies head scarves is a thousand

            witnesses that he does not belong to or identify with "the Taliban sect." The explanations do not satisfy

            the struggle activists, who demonstrated this week in front of the school and outside the home, and - reportedly even received death threats.

            Meanwhile, the issue continues to employ the haredi media, pens for all the development and

            statement of great interest. The big question is of course if it ends in the firm, or modesty.

            http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0, 7340, L-3748475, 00.html

            Document: Read the full verdict

            Is coming to court (Photo: Yaron Brener)

            The main argument of the defense case was that the defendant is fit to stand trial due to mental disorder from

            which she suffers speak of delusional, and that actions were being attributed to her psychotic state.

            According to the defense, mental illness developed in a woman from the birth of one of her sons, who

            suffers from mental retardation - a point which was a "fault line" for her.

            Later showed a series of experts who provided additional review different state of mind. Psychiatrist who

            examined the behavior for five weeks by the Court ruled that her actions stem from religious belief and not

            a psychotic state. According to her, even though the mother suffers from severe personality disorder and

            conduct has the characteristics of obsessive and compulsive behavior, not a psychotic mental illness.

            Judge Nava Ben-Or, wrote in the ruling that it "prefers without hesitation" the testimony of this doctor.

            "Cruel routine, systematic"

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            [COLOR=window************************]בית המשפט המחוזי בירושלים הרשיע הבוקר (יום א') את האשה המכונה [/COLOR][COLOR=window************************][COLOR=window************************]"אמא טליבאן"[/COLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=window************************] בהתעללות בקטין ותקיפה בנסיבות[/COLOR]
            [COLOR=window************************]מחמירות. בעלה הורשע בהתעללות, בתקיפה ובאי דיווח על התעללות. האם מבית שמש הורשעה בהתעללות בשישה מ-[/COLOR]
            [COLOR=window************************]12 ילדיה במהלך תקופה של 25 שנים.[/COLOR]

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              ילדי "אמא טליבאן": מתגעגעים, רחמועליה


              [COLOR=window************************]האם מבית שמש הורשעה בהתעללות בשישה מילדיה, אך הדבר לא מונע מהם, עם הגעת שלב הטיעונים[/COLOR]
              [COLOR=window************************]לעונשה, לטעון כי אמם חולה וזקוקה לטיפול - ולא למאסר: "היא לא עשתה זאת מרוע, היא יכלה לתת מכה[/COLOR]
              [COLOR=window************************]ואז לחבק". התביעה תדרוש מאסר ממושך[/COLOR]
              [COLOR=window************************][COLOR=window************************]אביעד גליקמן[/COLOR][/COLOR]
              פורסם: 14.10.09, 17:23

              ילדיה של "אמא טליבאן" מבקשים מחילה עבורה. היום (ד') נפתח שלב הטיעונים לעונש במשפטה של האשה
              [COLOR=window************************]מבית שמש ש[/COLOR][COLOR=window************************][COLOR=window************************]הורשעה בהתעללות[/COLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=window************************] בשישה מ-12 ילדיה. לצד ההגנה, התייצבו באופן מפתיע אותם ילדים שעברו את [/COLOR]
              [COLOR=window************************]ההתעללות, וביקשו לפני פתיחת הדיון לרחם על אמם. "אמנו היא אשה חולה הסובלת מבעיה נפשית ומכאן נבעו מעשיה", [/COLOR]
              [COLOR=window************************]טוענים הילדים. "היא זקוקה לטיפול נפשי ושיקום במידת האפשר, תחת הטלתו של עונש מאסר". [/COLOR]
              [COLOR=window************************]11 מ-12 ילדיה של האם תומכים בבקשת המחילה, מלבד ילד אחד, שהיה המתלונן הראשי בתיק. 11 הילדים [/COLOR]

              [COLOR=window************************]הגיעו לבית המשפט, ואמרו ל-[/COLOR][COLOR=window************************]ynet[/COLOR][COLOR=window************************] שהם מתגעגעים לאמם, חרדים לה מאוד ואף כותבים לה מכתבים ומייחלים ליום בו יתאחדו עמה. [/COLOR]
              = 350) this.width = 350; return false;">

              [COLOR=window************************]הילדים בבית המשפט, היום (צילום: גיל יוחנן) [/COLOR]
              [COLOR=window************************]"אני זועקת אל בית המשפט זעקה נואשת, בתקווה שתישמע ותחסוך ממני ומאחיי נזק נוסף על הנזקים הרבים שכבר ספגנו[/COLOR]

              [COLOR=window************************]בחיינו...", כתבה הבת השנייה, ה', בשמם של אחיה. "אחיי ואני נאלצנו להתמודד עם תחושות קשות מנשוא בגין הצורך להעיד[/COLOR]
              [COLOR=window************************]נגד הורינו. המחשבה כי בגללנו ייאלצו הם לרצות עונש מאסר, מייסרת אותי יום וליל". לדברי הבת, למרות המעשים שבגינם [/COLOR]
              [COLOR=window************************]הורשעה, האם תמכה בילדיה והיוותה עבורם "מקור לנחמה". [/COLOR]
              [COLOR=window************************]"אחיי פסולי חיתון למשך שלושה דורות"[/COLOR]
              [COLOR=window************************]"ברצוני להדגיש בפני בית המשפט כי ההליך המשפטי שהתנהל, והמשך הניתוק שלי ושל אחיי מאמי, גורם לנו סבל רב ומאיים[/COLOR]

              [COLOR=window************************]להרוס את משפחתי", הוסיפה. לדבריה, במהלך המשפט, הסבל שלה הפך לנחלת הכלל, ופצעיה הפכו למערכונים ב"ארץ [/COLOR]
              [COLOR=window************************]נהדרת". כתוצאה מישיבתה של אמה במעצר, סיפרה, "אחיי הרווקים ייחשבו במגזר החרדי אליו אנו שייכים פסולי חיתון למשך[/COLOR]
              [COLOR=window************************]שלושה דורות - וכל זאת על לא עוול בכפם". [/COLOR]
              [COLOR=window************************]הבת הוסיפה וכתבה כי היא מבקשת להביא בחשבון, במסגרת גזירת ענשה של האם, את העובדה שילדיה מחלו לה כאשר הבינו שהתנהגותה [/COLOR]

              [COLOR=window************************]נבעה מבעיה נפשית ולא מאכזריות. [/COLOR]
              [COLOR=window************************]הבת השישית, ר', הוסיפה בשיחה עם [/COLOR][COLOR=window************************]ynet[/COLOR][COLOR=window************************]: "אני סלחתי לה ואני לא כועסת עליה. היא לא עשתה זאת מתוך רוע, היא יכלה לתת מכה ואז לחבק. היא חולה, היא צריכה לעבור טיפול. [/COLOR]

              [COLOR=window************************]מי שחושב שהכלא הוא פתרון,[/COLOR]

              [COLOR=window************************]טועה. הילדים גם ככה פגועים, אז למה צריך להרוס אותם?" [/COLOR]
              עו"ד זרי חזן, המייצג את הילדים, אמר ל-ynet כי "ילדי המשפחה מאוחדים בדעה שיש לשקם את המשפחה ולא להרוס אותה,

              על כן הם יבקשו רחמים על אמם, ואת החזרתה מהר ככל הניתן לשיקום

              נפשי ולחיק המשפחה".

              [COLOR=window************************]פרקליטה של האם הוסיף: "אנו מאמינים שבית המשפט[/COLOR]
              [COLOR=window************************]יראה את התמונה המלאה והמורכבת של המקרה, ישקלל את כל הנסיבות ויתאים את העונש באופן אינדיבידואלי לנאשמת". [/COLOR]
              [COLOR=window************************]לדברים הצטרף גם עו"ד יאיר נהוראי, המייצג את האב: "כל הילדים מלבד[/COLOR]

              [COLOR=window************************]אחד הגיעו לכאן על מנת לבקש מבית המשפט להקל בעונשם של ההורים.[/COLOR]
              [COLOR=window************************]הם אומרים שכל עונש שיוטל על הוריהם יוטל עליהם. האב שמר על המסגרת המשפחתית וכניסתו לכלא תמוטט נפשית את הילדים הקטנים". [/COLOR]
              [COLOR=window************************]למרות כל אלה, התובע בתיק, עו"ד דן בהט, צפוי לבקש במהלך הטיעונים לעונש להטיל על האם עונש מאסר ממושך.[/COLOR]



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              "אמא טליבאן": שפרו תנאיי - כלואה בתאמחניק



              [COLOR=window************************]האם עתרה לעליון כדי שבית משפט מחוזי ידון [/COLOR]

              [COLOR=window************************]בבקשה לשפר את תנאיה. היא טוענת שהיא [/COLOR]
              [COLOR=window************************]נמצאת בחדר מצחין ונאלצת לכבס את בגדיה בעצמה. "היא מסתובבת עטופה מכף רגל ועד ראש. [/COLOR]
              [COLOR=window************************]על ידיה גרביים ולראשה מוצמדת סלסלת קש"[/COLOR]
              [COLOR=window************************][COLOR=window************************]אביעד גליקמן[/COLOR] [/COLOR]
              פורסם: 22.10.09, 14:52

              [COLOR=window************************]"אמא טליבאן", [/COLOR][COLOR=window************************][COLOR=window************************]שהורשעה בהתעללות קשה בשישה מ-12 ילדיה[/COLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=window************************], דורשת דיון דחוף בתנאי כליאתה. ברשות ערעור[/COLOR]
              [COLOR=window************************]שהוגשה היום (ה') לבית המשפט העליון דורש עורך דינה להורות לבית המשפט המחוזי בתל-אביב לערוך דיון בבקשתה לשפר את תנאי מעצרה. [/COLOR]

              [COLOR=window************************]עו"ד גיל דחוח, המייצג את האם, טען כי הבקשה הוגשה כבר בחודש יולי, אך מאז נדחו הדיונים. מהבקשה עולה כי האם עצורה בתנאי הפרדה, [/COLOR]
              מצב קשה

              חתנה של 'אמא טליבאן': היא חולה ומתעלמים מזה / אביעד גליקמן

              פרקליטה של האשה שהורשעה בהתעללות בילדיה, וגםבני משפחתה, מוחים על קביעת

              בית המשפט כי היא כשירה נפשית. פרקליט הילדים: היינוצריכים להפגין לשחרורה כמו האם המרעיבה


              [COLOR=window************************]בשל מסוכנות עצירות אחרות כלפיה. בבקשה נטען כי היא מוחזקת בתא הפרדה קטן, נעדר אוורור, [/COLOR]
              [COLOR=window************************]מצחין מסריח ומחניק. לטענתה, קירות התא מלוכלכים והיא נאלצת לכבס את בגדיה בעצמה, משום שהם לא נלקחים לכביסה. [/COLOR]
              [COLOR=window************************]בעתירה נכתב עוד כי בשל העובדה שהיא נתונה בהפרדה, זכויות רבות נמנעות ממנה, בין היתר בביקורים,[/COLOR]

              [COLOR=window************************]קבלת ציוד אישי, מזון וויטמינים. על מצבה בכלא, נכתב: "האם מסתובבת כאשר היא עטופה מכף רגל ועד ראש, [/COLOR]
              [COLOR=window************************]במספר רב של שכבות. על ידיה גרביים ולראשה [/COLOR]
              [COLOR=window************************]מוצמדת סלסלת קש, בכדי שלא יראו את מבנה ראשה. כל זאת מתוך 'תפיסה דתית' שקיצוניות זו תביא גאולה לעם ישראל". [/COLOR]

              [COLOR=window************************]עוד נטען בבקשה כי היא מתקלחת עם בגדיה ואף נאלצת לצאת [/COLOR]
              [COLOR=window************************]מהמקלחת עם בגדים רטובים ולחכות עד שיתייבשו, [/COLOR]
              [COLOR=window************************]כי לפי תפיסתה אסור שהקירות יראו אותה עירומה. [/COLOR]
              [COLOR=window************************]עוד נכתב שהאם אינה מדברת כלל, מפני[/COLOR]
              [COLOR=window************************]שהיא נמצאת ב"תענית דיבור ואף עורכת צומות, כאשר באותם ימי הוא אינה אוכלת או שותה". [/COLOR]
              [COLOR=window************************]לטענת עו"ד דחוח, מצבה הבריאותי לאור תנאי מעצרה ולאור התנהגותה [/COLOR]
              <TABLE style="WIDTH: 201pt" dir=rtl class=ecxMsoNormalTable border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=268><TBODY><TR><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #ece9d8; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #ece9d8; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #ece9d8; PADDING-TOP: 0in"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
              [COLOR=window************************]הינו ירוד ביותר והיא אף איננה מוכנה לקבל טיפול רפואי רגיל,[/COLOR]
              [COLOR=window************************]שכן היא דוגלת ברפואה אלטרנטיבית וכתוצאה מכך בעיותיה [/COLOR]
              [COLOR=window************************]הרפואיות מחמירות. לטענת האם היא איננה אוכלת דבר, פרט לפירות וירקות, ולכן היא נמצאת במצב תמידי של רעב וחולשה. [/COLOR]
              [COLOR=window************************]בבקשה נכתב כי השב"ס עושה כמיטב יכולתו [/COLOR]
              [COLOR=window************************]לסייע לה בבקשותיה השונות. אולם, לאור[/COLOR]
              [COLOR=window************************]מוזרותה וחריגותה, גם הם מתקשים מאוד לטפל בה. לדבריו, האם אינה עצורה במקום הנכון אשר יכול לתת מענה למצבה. [/COLOR]
              [COLOR=window************************][COLOR=window************************]http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3793949,00.html[/COLOR][/COLOR]
              טליבאן בירושלים: קוד לבוש מחמיר לנשים

              פשקווילים עם פסק הלכה חדש קוראים לנשים לא לצאת לרחוב בלי בד שמכסה את רוב הגוף.

              בכרוזים אחרים נאסר על נשים לדבר בסלולרי

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              אישהעוטהשאלבשכונתמאהשעריםבירושליםשמואלבןישי, חדשות 24הקצנהנוספתבתביעהללבושצנועשל

              נשיםבעדההחרדית: בימיםהאחרוניםנתלובשכונתמאהשעריםבירושליםפשקווילים (מודעותחוצות) הקוראים

              לנשיםללבושמעלבגדיהן "שאל" (רדיד), מעיןשכמייהשמכסהאתרובהגוף, במטרהלטשטשאתקוויהמתארשלגופן.

              זאת, כדי "להגביראתצדהקדושהעלצדהטומאהשכנגד". עלפסקההלכהחתומיםכמה

              רבניםחרדים, ובהםהרביצחקטוביהויס, העומדבראשבד"ץהעדההחרדית, גוףהכ

              שרותהחזקבארץהמקובלוממומןעלידיחברותהמזוןהגדולותבישראל.

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              המגמהלכסותאתכלהגוףהנשיאמנםהייתהקיימתבציבורהחרדיבשניםהאחרונות, אולםרק

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              הרבניםמהזרםהדתי-לאומיהבהירושמדוברבהגזמהדתיתהפסולהבתכלית, וגםחלקמהרבניםהחרדיםאמרושמדוברבחצייתקואדום.

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              = 350) this.width = 350; return false;">

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              אבלעלהכוונתשלבד"ץהעדההחרדיתישנוהחלמהשבועאויבחדשומסוכן - הטלפוןהסלולרי. רבניהעדה

              החרדיתיזמופסקהלכהחדשלפיועלנשיםנאסרלדברבטלפוןסלולריברשותהרבים, וגםעותקיםממנו

              נתלובשכונותהחרדיותבירושלים. "אסורלנשיםלדברבפלאפוןברשותהרביםאובאוטובוס", נכתב ,

              "והואפריצותגדולהבענייניהצניעותח"ו, וישלהזהירןעלחומרהאיסוררחמנאליצלן".

              צילוםסוכנותהידיעותחדשותצילוםסוכנותהידיעותחדשו ת

              פשקווילהקוראלנשיםלאלשוחחבסלולריברחובצילום: סוכנותהידיעות ''חדשות 24''


              הוסףתגובההוסףתגובההדפסכתבההדפסכתבהכתובלעורךכתובלעורךשלחלחברשלחלחבר

              אישהעוטהשאלבשכונתמאהשעריםבירושליםאישהעוטהשאלב שכונת מאהשעריםבירושלים

              אישהעוטהשאלבשכונתמאהשעריםבירושליםשמואלבןישי, חדשות24הקצנהנוספתבתביעהללבוש

              צנועשלנשיםבעדההחרדית: בימיםהאחרוניםנתלובשכונתמאהשעריםבירושליםפשקווילים

              (מודעותחוצות) הקוראיםלנשיםללבושמעלבגדיהן "שאל" (רדיד), מעיןשכמייהשמכסהאתרובהגוף, במטרה

              לטשטשאתקוויהמתארשלגופן. זאת, כדי "להגביראתצדהקדושהעלצדהטומאהשכנגד". עלפסקההלכה

              חתומיםכמהרבניםחרדים, ובהםהרביצחקטוביהויס, העומדבראשבד"ץהעדההחרדית, גוףהכשרותהחזק

              בארץהמקובלוממומןעלידיחברותהמזוןהגדולותבישראל.


              המגמהלכסותאתכלהגוףהנשיאמנםהייתהקיימתבציבורהחרדיבשניםהאחרונות, אולםרקבכמהקבוצות


              הקבוצותהאלוסירבולהסתפקבבגדיםהצנועיםשלהחרדיות - שמלותארוכות, חולצותבעלותשרוולים

              ארוכיםוכןפאותקצוצות - וכיסואתעצמןבבגדיםשחוריםמכףרגלועדראש. ככלהידוע, פסקההלכה

              החדשהואהפעםהראשונהשבהרבניםמזרמיםמרכזייםיותרשלהעדההחרדיתמאמציםאתקודהלבושהחדשוהמחמיריותר.

              בחודשיםהאחרוניםנשאלוכמהרבנים, הןמהזרםהחרדיוהןמהזרםהדתי-לאומי, אםעלנשיםלעטות "שאל".

              הרבניםמהזרםהדתי-לאומיהבהירושמדוברבהגזמהדתיתהפסולהבתכלית, וגםחלקמהרבניםהחרדיםאמרושמדוברבחצייתקואדום.

              הרבאברהםיוסף, רבהעירחולוןובנושלהרבעובדיהיוסף, דחהלאחרונהבאתרהאינטרנט "מורשת" אתהאופנה

              החדשה: "לאהרמב"םולאהבןאישחי, לאהחפץחייםולארבישלוםשבדרון, הורוללכתבבגדיםמוזרים

              ומושכיםאתהעין, צנועיםככלשיהיו", כתבהרב. "לאהיהמנהגכזהמעולם, לאלפנידורולאלפנימאהדורות

              . רבותינוציוועלהאשהללבושבגדיםנאיםגםבימיםשהיאאסורהלבעלה, כדישלאתתגנהבעיניו".

              צילוםסוכנותהידיעותחדשותצילוםסוכנותהידיעותחדשו ת

              פשקווילהקוראלנשיםללבוש ''שאל'' צילום: סוכנותהידיעות ''חדשות 24''

              "אסורלנשיםלדברבפלאפוןברשותהרבים"

              בנוסף, נתלובשכונותהחרדיותשלירושליםפשקוויליםאחרים, בהםמוזהריםמוכריהבגדיםלאלמכור "בגדינשיםקצריםונצמדים

              לגוף", במיוחדבגדיטריקולייקרה. הסיבה: "ישבהםאיסוריתורהחמורים, פרצההגורמתלסילוקהשכינהומביאיםאסונותכבדים".

              לאחרשכמהבעליחנויותהתעלמומהאיום, עברוהקיצוניםהחרדיםלפסיםאלימים. ביום

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              ראשוןהשבועהתפרעועשרותקיצוניםמ"סיירתצניעות" חרדיתבחנותבגדיםברחובגאולה

              במאהשערים, בטענהשבמקוםנמכריםבגדינשיםשאינםעומדיםבקריטריוניםהמחמירים

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                Translation
                Children "Taliban mother ': miss, have mercy on her
                Is Beit Shemesh was convicted of abusing six of her children, but that does not stop them, with the arrival of the penalty phase, argue that their mother is sick and needs treatment - not jail: "She did it out of spite, she could give a blow and then embrace." Claim would require a lengthy prison term
                Aviad Glickman
                Posted: 14:10:09, 17:23
                Children of "Mother Taliban" ask forgiveness for it. Today (Wednesday) opened the sentencing phase trial of Beit Shemesh woman convicted of abusing six of the 12 children. Side protection, stabilized surprisingly those children who had the torment, and request before opening the discussion to feel sorry for their mother. "Our mother is a sick woman suffering from a mental problem and hence derived its actions," say the children. "She needs therapy and rehabilitation where possible, under the imposition of a prison sentence."
                11 of the 12 children of the mother support the request for forgiveness, except one boy, who was the chief plaintiff in the bag. 11 children came to court and told Ynet they miss their mother, she is very anxious even write her letters and yearn for the day when united with it.


                Children's Court today (Photo: AFP)
                "I cry out to the court a desperate cry, hoping to be heard and spare me and my brothers further damage the already numerous damages we suffered in our lives ..." wrote the second daughter, God, on behalf of her brother. "My brothers and I had to cope with unbearable feelings for the need to testify against the parents. Thought that because of us, they will be forced imprisonment, torments me day and night." According to the daughter, even though the acts for which she was convicted, is supporting her children and was for "source of comfort."
                "My brothers forbidden to marry for three generations"
                "I want to emphasize to the court that the legal proceedings took place, and continued separation from my mother and my brothers, causes us much suffering and threatens to destroy the family," she added. She said that during the trial, her suffering was made public, and the wounds were wonderful land of sketches. " As her sitting next to her mother's custody, she said, "My brothers bachelor considered in the Haredi sector where we belong forbidden to marry for three generations - and all this for no reason."
                Added to her daughter that she would like to consider, in the decree of punishment of the mother, the fact that her children forgave her when she realized that her behavior was due to a mental problem and cruelty.
                Daughter sixth, R., added Ynet: "I forgave her and I'm not angry about it. She did it with malice, she could give a blow and then embrace. Was sick, she should be treated. Those who think prison is the solution wrong. children as it hurt, so why should destroy them? "
                Cantor bouquets attorney representing the children, told Ynet that "the children were united in the opinion that restore the family and not destroy it, so they ask for mercy for the mother, and return as quickly as possible mental rehabilitation and to family."
                The mother's lawyer said: "We believe that the court will see the full picture and complex case, Iskll all the circumstances and the punishment fit individually to defendant."
                Things joined Attorney Yair Nehorai, representing the Father: "All children, except one came here to ask the court to facilitate the punishment of parents. They say that any punishment imposed on their parents imposed on them. The father kept the family structure and his incarceration mental breakdown the little children. "
                Despite all these, the prosecutor in the case, attorney Dan Bahat, is expected to ask during the sentencing to impose on whether a long sentence.
                http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0, 7340, L-3790092, 00.html


                "Mother Taliban": Improve Terms - trapped in the stuffy

                Is petitioned the Supreme Court to a district court to discuss Please help improve conditions. She claims she was in foul and had to wash her own clothes. "She turns wrapped from head to toe. Upon her socks and head attached straw basket"
                Aviad Glickman
                Posted: 22:10:09, 14:52
                "Mother Taliban" convicted of abuse is difficult six of the 12 children, requires an urgent condition incarceration. Leave to appeal filed today (Thursday) to the Supreme Court requires a lawyer to instruct the District Court in Tel - Aviv to hold hearings for improve her conditions.

                D. Gil, representing the mother, argued that the application was submitted in July, but has since been rejected negotiations. Request indicates that the separation conditions is inhibited,Predicament's Fiance 'Taliban mother: she is sick and ignores it / Aviad Glickman

                The woman's lawyer convicted of abusing her children, and her family, protesting the determination of the court that she is fit mentally. Attorney kids: we had to show her release as does starving

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                • #98
                  woman's lawyer convicted of abusing her children, and her family, protesting the determination of the court that she is fit mentally. Attorney kids: we had to show her release as does starving
                  Full story
                  Due to other constipation dangerous for her. The motion claims that it is held in small separation, absent ventilation, foul smells and suffocating. According to her, the cell walls are dirty and she has to wash her own clothes, because they are not taken for washing.
                  The petition also said that due to the fact that it is isolated, it denied many rights, including visits, obtaining personal equipment, food and vitamins. The state prison, said: "Does rotating when it is wrapped from head to toe, a large number of layers. Upon her socks and head attached straw basket, in order not to see the structure of the head. All this out, this extreme Religious concept would redeem the people of Israel ".
                  Please also claimed that she showers with her clothes and forced out of the shower with wet clothes and wait until dry, in her perception that the walls can not see her naked. It also said that the mother does not speak at all, because it is B"tanit speech and editor fasting, when in those days he does not eat or drink. "
                  According to Attorney D., her health published her conditions and light behavior
                  Is very poor and it also is not ready to receive regular medical care, because it believes in alternative medicine resulting in severe medical problems. According to the mother she has not been eating nothing but fruits and vegetables, so it is in a constant state of hunger and weakness.
                  Please read that IPS does his best to help the various applications. However, given the strangeness and otherness, they find it difficult to fix. Said, is not inhibited in the right place which can provide a solution state.
                  http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0, 7340, L-3793949, 00.html
                  Taliban in Jerusalem: a strict dress code for women
                  Posters with a new fatwa calling for women not to go out without a cloth that covers most of the body. Other leaflets women were forbidden to talk on the cell phone
                  Yitzhak Tessler | 28/07/2010 8:25
                  A woman wears asked Mea Shearim neighborhood of Jerusalem Shmuel Ben-Yishai, News 24 further radicalize the claim to wear modest women community member: recently hung in the Mea Shearim in Jerusalem posters (ad outdoor) calling for women to wear over their clothes "asked" (foil), a cape that covers the Most of the body, in order to obscure the outline of the font. However, in order to "increase the holy side opposite the side of impurity." The ruling signed by several Orthodox rabbis, including Rabbi Yitzhak Tuvia Weiss, head of the orthodox community Badatz, body strong training in conventional and funded by Israel's largest food companies.
                  The trend to cover all the female body while Haredi existed in recent years, but only some marginal groups with which one of, among others, are abusive Beit Shemesh, which was known as "Mother Taliban" because of shame. These groups have refused to settle for a modest clothes Orthodox - long dresses with long sleeves and wigs chopped - and covered themselves in black from head to toe. Apparently, the new ruling is the first time that more mainstream rabbis of the haredi community embrace the new dress code more stringent.
                  In recent months, several rabbis asked, are ultra-orthodox and religious stream - national, if the women wear "Ask." Rabbis religious stream - an exaggeration National Religious clarified completely unacceptable, and some Orthodox rabbis said that crossing the red line.
                  Rabbi Avraham Yosef, the rabbi of Holon and son of Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, recently rejected a Web site "legacy" the new fashion: "Not Maimonides and Ben Ish Chai, not Chofetz Chaim and Rabbi Shalom Schwadron, ordered to go dressed in strange and attractive and, however humble, "wrote Rabbi." There was such a custom, never a generation ago and a hundred generations. Rabbis ordered the woman to wear nice clothes even in it forbidden to her husband, so that Ttgna him. "
                  צילוםסוכנותהידיעותחדשותצילוםסוכנותהידיעותחדשו ת
                  Fskwil calling for women to wear'' asked'' Photo: Agence new'' 24''
                  "Women talking on their cell phone in public"
                  In addition, hanged Jerusalem's ultra-Orthodox neighborhoods and other posters, including clothing sellers warned not to sell "short women's clothes cling to the body", especially lycra T-clothes. The reason: "They have severe Torah prohibition, burst causes the divine Presence and bring major catastrophes."
                  After some shopkeepers ignored the threat, had turned violent ultra-Orthodox extremists. On Sunday dozens of extremists rioted Modesty Patrol "Orthodox Geula Street clothing store in Meah Shearim, arguing that instead of selling women's clothes that do not meet the strict criteria.
                  During the commotion shattered the glass door of the store, and only after that place many policemen ran riot subsided.
                  But the sight of the orthodox community Badatz there starting this week and dangerous new enemy - the cell phone. Rabbis Orthodox community initiated a new ruling that women were forbidden to talk on a cell phone in public, and copies of it were hung ultra-Orthodox neighborhoods in Jerusalem. "Women are not allowed to talk on their cell phone PA many or bus, "read," and is a large intrusion in matters of modesty, God forbid, and warn us about the substance ban God forbid. "
                  צילוםסוכנותהידיעותחדשותצילוםסוכנותהידיעותחדשו ת
                  Fskwil reader women not to talk on cell phone Photo: Agence new'' 24''
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                  A woman wears asked Mea Shearim neighborhood of Jerusalem Shmuel Ben-Yishai, News 24 further radicalize the claim to wear modest women community member: recently hung in the Mea Shearim in Jerusalem posters (ad outdoor) calling for women to wear over their clothes "asked" (foil), a cape that covers the Most of the body, in order to obscure the outline of the font. However, in order to "increase the holy side opposite the side of impurity." The ruling signed by several Orthodox rabbis, including Rabbi Yitzhak Tuvia Weiss, head of the orthodox community Badatz, body strong training in conventional and funded by Israel's largest food companies.
                  The trend to cover all the female body while Haredi existed in recent years, but only some marginal groups with which one of, among others, are abusive Beit Shemesh, which was known as "Mother Taliban" because of shame. These groups have refused to settle for a modest clothes Orthodox - long dresses with long sleeves and wigs chopped - and covered themselves in black from head to toe. Apparently, the new ruling is the first time that more mainstream rabbis of the haredi community embrace the new dress code more stringent.
                  In recent months, several rabbis asked, are ultra-orthodox and religious stream - national, if the women wear "Ask." Rabbis religious stream - an exaggeration National Religious clarified completely unacceptable, and some Orthodox rabbis said that crossing the red line.
                  Rabbi Avraham Yosef, the rabbi of Holon and son of Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, recently rejected a Web site "legacy" the new fashion: "Not Maimonides and Ben Ish Chai, not Chofetz Chaim and Rabbi Shalom Schwadron, ordered to go dressed in strange and attractive and, however humble, "wrote Rabbi." There was such a custom, never a generation ago and a hundred generations. Rabbis ordered the woman to wear nice clothes even in it forbidden to her husband, so that Ttgna him. "
                  צילוםסוכנותהידיעותחדשותצילוםסוכנותהידיעותחדשו ת
                  Fskwil calling for women to wear'' asked'' Photo: Agence new'' 24''
                  "Women talking on their cell phone in public"
                  In addition, hanged Jerusalem's ultra-Orthodox neighborhoods and other posters, including clothing sellers warned not to sell "short women's clothes cling to the body", especially lycra T-clothes. The reason: "They have severe Torah prohibition, burst causes the divine Presence and bring major catastrophes."
                  After some shopkeepers ignored the threat, had turned violent ultra-Orthodox extremists. On Sunday dozens of extremists rioted Modesty Patrol "Orthodox Geula Street clothing store in Meah Shearim, arguing that instead of selling women's clothes that do not meet the strict criteria.

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                  • #99
                    Chapter III
                    Part 1
                    Woman's Veil in the Bible
                    1. THE REASON BEHIND PAINS OF DELIVERY[COLOR=window************************][/COLOR]
                    MENSES IN THE BIBLE
                    AFTER AN INTERCOURSE
                    REJOICE WITH THEM !!
                    WOMAN'S VEIL IN THE BIBLE
                    WOMAN IS NOT THE GLORY OF GOD
                    REMAIN SILENCE!
                    SILENCE IN CHURCHES
                    WOMAN IS EVIL !
                    GOD MAKES PEOPLE FALL IN ADULTERY
                    [COLOR=window************************] HIDE WOMAN'S VOICE ! [/COLOR]
                    WOMAN FOR THE MAN
                    HOW TO RESCUE HER HUSBAND
                    MARRIAGE BY FORCE !!
                    WHAT IF HE REFUSES ?
                    UPRIGHT WOMEN!
                    KILL WOMEN, CHILDREN, ANIMALS !!
                    KILLING, KIDNAPPING, SLAVERY
                    STEALING WOMEN!!
                    KILL THEM AND TAKE THEIR PROPERTIES
                    [COLOR=window************************][/COLOR]
                    [COLOR=window************************][/COLOR]

                    1.1 Veils and Other Coverings
                    1.1.1.The Old Testament
                    1.1.1.1 The Veil and Christianity – niqab
                    1.1. IV the Bible on women and their hair
                    1. THE REASON BEHIND PAINS OF DELIVERY[COLOR=window************************][/COLOR][COLOR=window************************][/COLOR]
                    [COLOR=window************************][Gen 3:16]
                    God said to Eve when she tempted Adam, "I will greatly multiply your pain in childbearing, in pain you shall bring forth children, yet your desire shall be for your husband and he shall rule over you.
                    [/COLOR][COLOR=window************************][/COLOR]
                    MENSES IN THE BIBLE
                    [COLOR=window************************][Levi. 15:19]
                    When a woman has a discharge of blood which in her regular discharge from her body, she shall be apart seven days. And WHOSOEVER TOUCHES HER SHALL BE UNCLEAN until the evening. And every thing that she lies upon in her SEPARATION shall be unclean. Every thing also that SHE SITS UPON SHALL BE UNCLEAN. And whosoever touches her bed shall wash his clothes and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the evening. And whosoever touches anything THAT SHE SAT UPON SHALL WASH HIS CLOTHES, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the evening.
                    [/COLOR][COLOR=window************************][/COLOR]
                    [COLOR=window************************]And if it be on her bed, or any thing whereon she sits when he touches it: he SHALL BE UNCLEAN UNTIL THE EVENING. And if any man lie with her at all, and her flowers be upon him: he shall be unclean seven days, and all the bed WHEREON SHE LIES SHALL BE UNCLEAN. [/COLOR][COLOR=window************************][/COLOR]
                    [COLOR=window************************]And if a woman have an issue of her blood many days out of the time of her separation, or if it run beyond the time of her SEPARATION: All the days of the issue of her uncleanness shall be as the days of her SEPARATION, she shall be unclean. Every bed whereon she lies all the days of her issue shall be unto her as the bed of her SEPARATION, and whatsoever she sits upon shall be unclean, as the uncleanness of her SEPARATION. [/COLOR][COLOR=window************************][/COLOR]
                    [COLOR=window************************]And WHOSOEVER TOUCHES THOSE THINGS SHALL BE UNCLEAN and shall wash his clothes and bathes himself in water, and he BE UNCLEAN UNTIL THE EVENING. But if she be cleansed of her issue, then she shall number to herself seven days, and after that she shall be clean. And on the eighth day she shall take unto her two turtles or two young pigeons, and bring them unto the priest to the door of [/COLOR][COLOR=window************************]the meeting tent. [/COLOR]
                    POSTPARTUM IN THE BIBLE
                    [COLOR=window************************][Levi. 12:2]
                    If a woman conceives, and bears a MALE CHILD, then she shall be unclean seven days.. But if she bears a FEMALE CHILD then she shall be unclean two weeks.
                    [/COLOR]
                    AFTER AN INTERCOURSE
                    [COLOR=window************************][Levi. 15:16]
                    If a man has an emission of semen, he shall bathe his whole body in water, and be unclean until the evening. Every garment and every skin on which the semen comes shall be washed with water, and be unclean until the evening.
                    [/COLOR]
                    [COLOR=window************************][Levi. 22:17] WHEN THE SUN IS DOWN HE SHALL BE CLEAN. [/COLOR]
                    [COLOR=window************************][Levi. 15:18]
                    If a man lies with a woman and has an emission of semen both of them shall bathe themselves in water, and be unclean until the evening.
                    [/COLOR]
                    REJOICE WITH THEM !!
                    [COLOR=window************************] [Prov. 5:18]
                    REJOICE WITH THE WIFE of your youth. Let her be as the loving hind and pleasant roe; LET HER BREASTS SATISFY YOU AT ALL TIMES.
                    [/COLOR]
                    [COLOR=window************************][Song. 8:8]
                    We have a little sister, and she has no breasts. What shall we do for our sister on the day when is spoken for? I was a wall, and MY BREASTS WERE LIKE TOWERS.
                    [/COLOR]
                    WOMAN'S VEIL IN THE BIBLE
                    [COLOR=window************************][1 Corin. 11:5]
                    But any woman who prays and prophecies with her head unveiled dishonors her head - it is the same as if her head were shaven, for if a woman will not veil herself then she should cut off her hair. But if it is disgraceful for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her wear a veil. JUDGE FOR YOURSELVES; is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? (It seems that Christians are unaware of the obligation of the veil in the Bible, which made me put their verses in this book, and for those who attack the veil in Islam should notice these verses of their own Bible, and notice also this verse "Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get.)
                    [/COLOR]
                    WOMAN IS NOT THE GLORY OF GOD
                    [COLOR=window************************] [1 Corin. 11:7]
                    For a man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God, but woman is the glory of man, for man was not made for woman, but woman from man, neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.
                    [/COLOR]
                    REMAIN SILENCE!
                    [COLOR=window************************][1 Tim 2:11-14]
                    Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
                    [/COLOR]
                    SILENCE IN CHURCHES
                    [COLOR=window************************][1 Corin 14:34]
                    Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to
                    speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
                    [/COLOR]
                    WOMAN IS EVIL !
                    [COLOR=window************************] [Zech. 5:7]
                    The leaden cover was lifted, there was a woman sitting, and he (the angel) said: this is wickedness.

                    [/COLOR]
                    GOD MAKES PEOPLE FALL IN ADULTERY
                    [COLOR=window************************] [Amos 7:16]
                    God said to Am-a-zi'ah "You say, prophesy not against Israel and drop not your word against the house of Isaac?
                    Thus the Lord says: YOUR WIFE SHALL BE AN HARLOT in the city and your sons and your daughters shall fall by the sword."
                    [/COLOR]
                    [COLOR=window************************][Jer. 8:9]
                    They have rejected the word of the Lord. Therefore I WILL GIVE THEIR WIVES UNTO OTHERS.
                    [Jer. 13:22]
                    "For the greatness of your iniquity are your skirts discovered, AND YOUR HEELS MADE BARE. I will discover your skirts upon your face, that your shame may appear I have seen your adulteries, and your neighings the lewdness of your whoredoms."
                    [/COLOR]
                    HIDE WOMAN'S VOICE !
                    [COLOR=window************************] [1 Corin. 14:34]
                    The woman should keep silence in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak, but should be subordinate, as even the law says. If there is any thing they desire to know let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.
                    [/COLOR]
                    [COLOR=window************************][1 Timo. 2:9]
                    Woman should adorn themselves modestly and sensibly in seemly apparel, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly attire but by good deeds.
                    [/COLOR]
                    WOMAN FOR THE MAN
                    [COLOR=window************************][1 Corin 11:5-10]
                    But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovereddishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels."
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                    HOW TO RESCUE HER HUSBAND
                    [COLOR=window************************] [Deut. 25:11]
                    When men fight with one another, and the wife of the one draws near to rescue her husband from the hand of him who is beating him, and puts out her hand seizes him by the private parts, then you shall cut off her hand; your eye shall have not pity.
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                    MARRIAGE BY FORCE !!
                    [COLOR=window************************] [Deut. 25:5]
                    If brothers dwell together, and one of them dies and has no son, the wife of the dead shall not be marries outside of the family to a stranger; her husband's brother shall go into her, and take her as his wife.
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                    WHAT IF HE REFUSES ?
                    [COLOR=window************************] [Deut. 25:7]
                    And if the man does not wish to take his brother's wife then his brother's wife shall go up to the gate of the elders, and say, "My husband's brother refuses to perpetuate his brother's name in Israel.. Then the elders of his city shall call him.
                    [/COLOR]
                    [COLOR=window************************]And if he persists.. Then his brother's wife shall go up to him in the presence of the elders, and pull his sandal off his foot, and spit in his face; and shall answer and say: So it shall be done to the man who does not build up his brother's house. And the name of his house shall be called in Israel THE HOUSE OF HIM THAT HAD HIS SANDAL PULLED OFF. [/COLOR]
                    UPRIGHT WOMEN!
                    [COLOR=window************************][Eccless 7:26-28]
                    And I find more bitter than death the woman who is a snare, whose heart is a trap and whose hands are chains. The man who pleases God will escape her, but the sinner she will ensnare....while I was still searching but not finding, I found one upright man among a thousand but not one upright woman among them all".
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                    KILL WOMEN, CHILDREN, ANIMALS !!
                    [COLOR=window************************] [Ezek. 9:5]
                    And the Lord said, "Go through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have you pity. SLAY UTTERLY OLD AND YOUNG, BOTH MAIDS AND LITTLE CHILDREN, AND WOMEN.
                    [Num. 31:1]
                    And the Lord said unto Moses, "Avenge the children of the Mid'-an'ites.. They warred against the Mid'-i-an'ites, as the Lord commanded Moses, and they slay all the males. And they took all women as captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods. And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire.
                    [/COLOR]
                    [COLOR=window************************]Moses said, "HAVE YOU SAVED ALL THE WOMEN ALIVE? NOW KILL EVERY MALE AMONG THE LITTLE ONES, AND KILL EVERY WOMAN that has known a man by lying with him, but all the young girls who have not known a man by lying with him keep alive for yourselves. [/COLOR]
                    [COLOR=window************************][Josh 6:16]
                    Joshua said to the people of Israel, "The Lord has given you the city (of the Canaanites).. all silver, and gold, and vessels of brass and iron, are consecrated unto the Lord: They shall come into the treasury of the Lord. The people utterly DESTROYED ALL THAT WAS IN THE CITY, BOTH MAN AND WOMAN, YOUNG AND OLD, AND OX AND SHEEP, AND ASS, WITH THE EDGE OF THE SWORD.
                    [/COLOR]
                    KILLING, KIDNAPPING, SLAVERY
                    [COLOR=window************************] [Josh. 16:10]
                    So the Canaanites have dwelt in the midst of E'phraim to this day, but become slaves to do forced labour. (see also Joshua 17:13 and Judg. 1:30)
                    [Judg. 21:10]
                    The congregation of Benjamin sent twelve thousand of their bravest men, and commanded them, "Go and smite the inhabitants of Ja'-besh-gil'ead with the edge of the sword; also the women and the little ones. Every male and every
                    woman that has lain with a male YOU SHALL UTTERLY DESTROY.
                    [/COLOR]
                    [COLOR=window************************]And they found among the inhabitants four hundred YOUNG VIRGINS who had not known a man by lying with him; and they brought them to the camp of Shiloh, which is the land of Canaan. And Benjamin returned at that time, and they gave them the women whom they had saved alive of the women of Ja'besh-gil'ead, but they did not suffice for them. [/COLOR]
                    STEALING WOMEN!!
                    [COLOR=window************************]And they commanded the Benjaminites, saying:"Go and lie in wait in the vineyard, and watch, if the daughters of Shiloh go out to dance in the dances, then come out of the vineyard and seize each man his wife from the daughters of Shiloh. And the Benjaminites did so, and took their wives from the dancers whom they caught. [/COLOR]
                    KILL THEM AND TAKE THEIR PROPERTIES
                    [COLOR=window************************] [Deut. 20:10]
                    When you draw near to a city to fight against it, offer terms of peace to it. And if its answer to you is peace and it opens to you, then all the people who are found in it SHALL BE FORCED LABOUR FOR YOU AND SHALL SERVE YOU.
                    [/COLOR]
                    [COLOR=window************************]But if it makes no peace with you, then you shall besiege it, .. YOU SHALL PUT ALL ITS MALES TO THE SWORD, BUT THE WOMEN AND THE LITTLE ONES, the cattle and every thing else in the city all its spoil, YOU SHALL TAKE AS BOOTY FOR YOURSELVES; AND YOU SHALL ENJOY THE SPOIL OF YOUR ENEMIES. [/COLOR]
                    In other words, the Bible teaches us that:
                    1.Women should learn in silence and subjugation.
                    2.Women should not teach.
                    3.Women should not have authority over men but should remain silent.
                    4.Adam and Eve were not equal in sin. Adam was not deceived but Eve was.
                    5.Women are commanded to be under obedience to men. God ordained that men shall for all time rule over women
                    6.Women must keep silent in Churches. It is shameful for them to open their mouths therein. If they have a question they should ask their husbands before going to church and then their husbands will ask for them in the church.
                    7.A woman should neither pray nor profess with her head uncovered.
                    8.If a woman prays with her head uncovered then she might as well shave her head.
                    9.Man was created in the image and glory of God, and Woman was created in the glory of Man, thus Man must have power over her.
                    10.Any woman who delivers a male baby shall be unclean for one week. But any woman who delivers a female baby shall be unclean for TWO weeks. Thus, females make their mothers DOUBLY unclean as compared to males.
                    11.While it is possible to find one upright man in every thousand, it is impossible to find even one single upright woman in every thousand
                    12.Woman is a snare, her heart is a trap, and her hands are chains. The man who pleases God will escape her, but she will ensnare the sinner.
                    13.If a woman had her period and touches a chair or a bed or anything else then that item immediately becomes unclean. Anyone who then touches those things shall also become unclean. They must then bathe themselves and wash their clothes because they have touched an item that a menstruous woman has touched.




                    1.1 Veils and Other Coverings




                    Western nuns
                    A veil forms part of the headdress of some religious orders of nuns or religious sisters ; this is why a woman who becomes a nun is said “to take the veil”. In many orders, a white veil is used as the “veil of probation” during novitiate, and a dark veil for the “veil of profession” once first vows are taken; the color scheme varies with the color scheme of the habit of the order. A veil of consecration, longer and fuller, is used by some orders for final profession of solemn perpetual vows.
                    Nuns are the female counterparts of monks, and many monastic orders of women have retained the veil. Other orders, of religious sisters who are not cloistered but who work as teachers, nurses or in other “active” apostolates outside of a monastery, have abolished the use of the veil, or adopted a modified, short version; a few never had a veil to start with, but used a bonnet-style headdress even a century ago. The fullest versions of the nun’s veil cover the top of the head and flow down around and over the shoulders. In Western Christianity, it does not wrap around the neck or face. In those orders that retain one, the starched white covering about the face neck and shoulders is known as a wimple and is a separate garment. The Catholic Church has revived the practice of allowing women to profess vows as consecrated virgins; women who take the vows of religion without belonging to a particular order but who are under the direct care of the local bishop. These women may be given a veil as a sign of consecration. There has also been renewed interest in the last half century in the ancient practice of women and men dedicating themselves as anchorites or hermits, and there is a formal process whereby such persons can seek recognition of their vows by the local bishop; a veil for these women would also be traditional. Some Anglican women’s religious orders also wear a veil, differing according to the traditions of each order.
                    Eastern monasticism
                    In Eastern Orthodoxy and in the Eastern Rites of the Catholic Church, a veil called an epanokamelavkion is used by both nuns and monks, in both cases covering completely the kamilavkion, a cylindrical hat worn by both monks and nuns. In Slavic practice, when the veil is worn over the kamilavkion, the entire headdress is referred to as a klobuk. Nuns wear an additional veil under the klobuk, called an apostolnik, which is drawn together to cover the neck and shoulders as well as their heads, leaving the face itself open.


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                      Veils in Mormonism
                      Mormon women also wear a veil as part of ritual temple clothing. This veil, along with the entire temple ritual clothing, is worn only inside the temple. Normally, the veil is worn off the face; it is lowered to cover the face of the wearer during prayer, as part of the temple ritual.
                      Mormons who have undertaken the temple ritual will typically be buried in this clothing. During the viewing of the body, the face remains unveiled. Immediately prior to the closing and sealing of the casket, the veil is lowered over the face of the deceased.


                      by COGwriter
                      Some have been confused about whether women need to wear veils or hats to church services or while praying. An acquaintance recently asked me to look into I Corinthians 11:2-16 regarding the subject of women wearing veils and local customs. This paper is intended as a brief, biblically-based, review of the subject.
                      I Corinthians 11:2-16
                      As most of the confusion about this matter centers in I Corinthians 11:2-16, it is probably best to first list the NKJV translation of the passage:
                      "2 Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered them to you.
                      3 But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
                      4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonors his head.
                      5 But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, for that is one and the same as if her head were shaved.
                      6 For if a woman is not covered, let her also be shorn. But if it is shameful for a woman to be shorn or shaved, let her be covered.
                      7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man.
                      8 For man is not from woman, but woman from man.
                      9 Nor was man created for the woman, but woman for the man.
                      10 For this reason the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels.
                      11 Nevertheless, neither is man independent of woman, nor woman independent of man, in the Lord.
                      12 For as woman came from man, even so man also comes through woman; but all things are from God.
                      13 Judge among yourselves. Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered?
                      14 Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him?
                      15 But if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her; for her hair is given to her for a covering.
                      16 But if anyone seems to be contentious, we have no such custom, nor do the churches of God".

                      Reading this passage in NKJV English clearly shows that the con************************ has to do with hair length. Hair length is specifically referred to in verses 5, 14, and 15 and is clearly and directly mentioned. Although it may be inferred that verses 5 and 6 allows for the possible concept of veils, no veil is directly mentioned, nor does the con************************ require that veils are alluded to. On
                      e simple truth is that a woman with short hair can be shorn and thus verse 6 does not require that a veil is being referred to. And verse 15 specifically states that a woman's long hair, not a veil, is given to her for a covering.
                      And while long hair is encouraged for women, head coverings are not prohibited for them. And if a women is bald, that type of covering would possibly be required--but if she can have long hair, a veil is not required.
                      Greek
                      Of course, the New Testament was not written in English, as it was nearly exclusively written in Greek. It is my limited understanding that those who have a different interpretation than the Church of God has historically held are mainly basing it on how a certain Greek word, akatakaluptosἀκατακάλυπτος, ον, is translated. Akatakaluptos means uncovered or possibly unveiled and is only used in the Bible in verses 5 and 13 of I Corinthians 11. It apparently comes from the Greek words a (which is a negative participle), kata (which means according to, down, or against), and kalupto (which means cover up).





                      When Paul wanted to convey being unveiled (which he apparently did in II Corinthians 3:18), he used the Greek term anakalupto (combination of ana and kalupto), but this may have been referring to a masculine, not feminine, veil.
                      The Greek word for veil in the New Testament is kaluma, but it is only used in the Bible to refer to Moses' veil (II Corinthians 3:13-16). However, since the Hebrew words in the Old Testament for Moses' veil and a woman's veil are different, this does not appear to shed any light on this subject. However, what is clear is that there is no other Greek term used in the New Testament directly referring to a woman's veil (the only other term translated as veil in the New Testament has to do with a curtain). Thus it is not clear from the Greek that a woman's veil is being referred to in I Corinthians.



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                      • 1.1.1. The Old Testament
                        There are no indications in the Old Testament that a woman should wear a veil to Church or when praying. In Genesis, when a veil is mentioned, it appears to be for the purposes of veiling oneself before a certain man (24:65;38:14,19).
                        In the Song of Solomon, two words are translated as veil--one that possibly appears to mean hair locks (4:1,3;6:7) and the other that apparently means veil (5:7). But in none of those verses does it mention praying, prophesying, or church attendance.
                        The only other verse in regarding a woman's veil in the Old Testament is Isaiah 47:2 where the 'virgin daughter of Babylon' (verse 1) is shamed (verse 3). The word translated as veil may mean 'locks' as that is how BibleSoft translates it. That would be consistent with Paul's comment that it is a shame for a woman to have short hair (I Corinthians 11:6). Paul never said it was a shame to not wear a veil.
                        These verses in Genesis, Song of Solomon, and Isaiah appear to be the only verses in the Old Testament that a veil is mentioned (the other type of veil mentioned is a curtain-like object, which is a different Hebrew word, and it is never mentioned in the con************************ of a woman's covering).
                        Each time a woman is mentioned in the Old Testament praying or prophesying, there is never a mention of a veil (i.e. I Samuel 1:10-13).
                        Furthermore, although the Bible mentions various aspects regarding holy convocations (i.e. Leviticus 23; Deuteronomy 16) and the congregation of Israel (e.g. Deuteronomy 23:1-8), the wearing of a veil for any woman is never even hinted.
                        Perhaps it should be mentioned in the Old Testament, in Leviticus 16:4-21 the high priest (who was always male) was told to pray and attend services while wearing head ware (see also Zechariah 3:5-7). Job wore a turban when he made judgments (Job 29:14). Ezekiel was told by God to prophesy while wearing a turban (Ezekiel 24:17-24). But as the Apostle Paul wrote, there was a change in the administration of the priesthood after Jesus was resurrected (Hebrews 7:11-12), hence this would explain why true Christian leaders have short hair. Thus, in accordance the New Testament admonition that males NOT have their heads covered true Christian male leaders do not have long hair, nor do they wear head coverings like hats, mitres, or veils when they publicly pray.
                        Paul
                        Paul, on at least two other occasions in the New Testament appeals to nature as proof of some doctrinal position: Romans 1:19-20, where Paul indicates that the natural creation should show people God's attributes and Romans 1:26-27, where Paul indicates it is natural for a man to have sexual relations with a woman, but not another man. On each occasion, it is to something natural that Paul is referring to. Since veils are not natural, a woman's hair length would seem to be the only logical reference to what nature is teaching in I Corinthians 11:2-16.
                        Paul also wrote, "24 And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works, 25 not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching" (Hebrews 10:24-25). Here Paul is telling people to attend Church.
                        James warned, "2 For if there should come into your assembly a man with gold rings, in fine apparel, and there should also come in a poor man in filthy clothes, 3 and you pay attention to the one wearing the fine clothes and say to him, "You sit here in a good place," and say to the poor man, "You stand there," or, "Sit here at my footstool," 4 have you not shown partiality among yourselves, and become judges with evil thoughts?" (James 2:2-4). Hence James seems to be warning against treating someone who attends services wearing something better than one who cannot afford such things-clothing was fairly expensive in those days.
                        Peter admonished, "3 Do not let your adornment be merely outward--arranging the hair, wearing gold, or putting on fine apparel-- 4 rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God. 5 For in this manner, in former times, the holy women who trusted in God also adorned themselves, being submissive to their own husbands" (I Peter 3:3-5). Peter seems to be warning about trying to make hair too fancy, if all women were required to wear veils, it would seem that he would have probably mentioned them there. Furthermore, since the women in former times were never commanded in the Old Testament to wear veils, this suggests that veils were never required.
                        With all these verses in mind, it does not make sense that Paul was installing a new rule about women wearing veils.

                        In the Old Testament
                        [COLOR=window************************]The Hebrew word for veil, covering, and head are as follows:

                        [COLOR=window************************]Veil
                        [COLOR=window************************] – (radiyd raw-deed'
                        רדיד[COLOR=window************************]) in the sense of spreading, something spread, wide wrapper (tsa`iyph tsaw-eef') meaning to wrap over, veil, wrapper, shawl[/COLOR]
                        tsa`iyph(tsaw-eef') צָעִיף

                        Usage: This word is used3 times:
                        Genesis 24:65: "Itismy master: therefore she tooka veil,and covered herself."
                        Genesis 38:14: "garments off from her, and covered
                        her with a veil,and wrapped herself, and sat in an open"

                        Genesis 38:19: "And she arose, and went away, and laid by
                        her veil from her, and put on the garments"
                        Read more:http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Lexicon.show/ID/H6809/tsa%60iyph.htm#ixzz2EN5Eux83
                        Covering – (mikceh mik-seh') a covering. (kacuwth kes-ooth) raiment, clothing, vesture.
                        [COLOR=window************************]Head[/COLOR][COLOR=window************************] – (rosh roshe) head, chief, beginning.[/COLOR]
                        In the New Testament
                        [COLOR=window************************]Veil[/COLOR][COLOR=window************************] – (katapetasma kat-ap-et-as-mah[/COLOR]καταπέτασμα, ατος, τό[COLOR=window************************]) a veil spread out.[/COLOR]
                        [COLOR=window************************]STRONGS NT 2665: [/COLOR][COLOR=window************************]καταπέτασμα[/COLOR][COLOR=window************************][/COLOR]
                        καταπέτασμα,καταπετάσματος,τό(καταπετάννυμιto spread out over, to cover), anAlex.Greek word forπαραπέτασμα. which the other Greeks use fromHerodotusdown;a veil spread out, a curtain— the name given in the Greek ************************************ures, as well as in the writings ofPhiloandJosephus, to the two curtains in the temple at Jerusalem (τάκαταπετάσματα, 1 Macc. 4:51; (yet cf. Edersheim, Jesus the Messiah, 2:611)): one of them (Hebrewמָסָך) at the entrance of the temple separated the Holy place from the outer court (Exodus 26:37;Exodus 38:18;Numbers 3:26;Josephus,b. j.5, 5, 4; it is called alsoτόκάλυμμαby theSept.andPhilo,Exodus 27:16;Numbers 3:25;Philo, vit. Moys. 3: §§ 5 and 9), the other veiled the Holy of holies from the Holy place (in Hebrew theפָּרֹכֶת;ἐνδοτερονκαταπέτασμα,Josephus, Antiquities 8, 3, 3;τόἐσωτατονκαταπέτασμαPhilode gig. § 12; by theSept.andPhilothis is called pre-eminentlyτόκαταπέτασμα,Exodus 26:31ff;Leviticus 21:23;Leviticus 24:3;Philo, vit. Moys. as above). This latterκαταπέτασμαis the only one mentioned in the N. T.:τόκαταπέτασματοῦναοῦ,Matthew 27:51;Mark 15:38;Luke 23:45;τόδεύτερονκαταπέτασμα,Hebrews 9:3;τόἐσώτεροντοῦκαταπετάσματος(cf.Leviticus 16:2, 12, 15;Exodus 26:33)the space more inward them the veil,equivalent to 'the space within the veil,' i. e. the Holy of holies, figuratively used of heaven, as the true abode of God,Hebrews 6:19; in a similar figurative way the body of Christ is called καταπέτασμα, in (Heb.), because, as the veil had to be removed in order that the high priest might enter the most holy part of the earthly temple, so the body of Christ had to be removed by his death on the cross, that an entrance might be opened into the fellowship of God in heaven.



                        http://biblesuite.com/greek/2665.htm
                        Covering – (peribolaion per-ib-ol'-ah-yon) covering, vesture, mantle, a covering thrown around. [COLOR=window************************][/COLOR]
                        STRONGS NT 4018: περιβόλαιον

                        περιβόλαιον,περιβολαίου,τό(περιβάλλω), properly, a covering thrown around, a wrapper; in the N. T.
                        1. a mantle:Hebrews 1:12(Psalm 101:27();Ezekiel 16:13;Ezekiel 27:7;Isaiah 59:17;περιβόλαιονβασιλικόνandπεριβόλαιονἐκπορφύρας, Palaeph. 52, 4).
                        2. a veil (A. V. a covering):1 Corinthians 11:15. ((From Euripides down.))



                        [COLOR=window************************]Head[/COLOR][COLOR=window************************] – (kephale kef-al-ay) head (physical or by ranking), supreme, chief, prominent.[/COLOR]
                        [COLOR=window************************]In studying [/COLOR]

                        [COLOR=window************************]the ************************ of first Corinthians eleven we must understand we need the Holy Spirit to help us, and furthermore [/COLOR]
                        [COLOR=window************************]all ************************************ure should be taken seriously and thoroughly examined. Also, we must read it as it was intended, that is, as a letter to fellow Christians written by inspiration from the Holy Spirit by the Apostle Paul. We see from the start the ************************ goes against what we're "programmed" to believe in America. Also [/COLOR]
                        [COLOR=window************************]it's not taught in the body of Christ as it should be today. Many so-called pastors and leaders simply look at it and conclude "it's not for us today" which is incorrect. Who said we can pick and choose what to obey and not obey. For the first 1800 years of Christianity the material veil was a part of the woman’s modest clothes. She made it the same way she made the rest of her clothes. It was more then just fashion it was obedience to a command. [/COLOR]
                        [COLOR=window************************]To take off this veil in public in the first century would announce that you are a woman of loose morals. [/COLOR]
                        [COLOR=window************************]"Be ye followers of me, even as I also [am] of Christ. Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered [them] to you. But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God. Every man praying or prophesying, having [his] head covered, dishonoureth his head. But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with [her] head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. For a man indeed ought not to cover [his] head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. For this cause ought the woman to have power on [her] head because of the angels. Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord. For as the woman [is] of the man, even so [is] the man also by the woman; but all things of God. Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for [her] hair is given her for a covering. But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God." (1 Corinthians 11:1-16)[/COLOR]
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                          1.1.1.1 The Veil and Christianity – niqab
                          Roman Pronouncement?
                          Many seem to believe that Linus of Rome first required that women should not attend church services without covering their heads. Here is a claims made by many Roman Catholics about him:
                          2. LINUS, ST. (67-76)...He made disposition for women to be admitted to the holy places and attend functions with their heads covered...(Lopes A. The Popes: The lives of the pontiffs through 2000 years of history. Futura Edizoni, Roma, 1997, p. 1).
                          Is that true?
                          Here is some of what the Catholic scholar J.P. Kirsch wrote in The Catholic Encyclopedia about Linus:
                          The "Liber Pontificalis" asserts that Linus's home was in Tuscany, and that his father's name was Herculanus; but we cannot discover the origin of this assertion. According to the same work on the popes, Linus is supposed to have issued a decree "in conformity with the ordinance of St. Peter", that women should have their heads covered in church. Without doubt this decree is apocryphal, and copied by the author of the "Liber Pontificalis" from the first Epistle of St. Paul to the Corinthians (11:5) and arbitrarily attributed to the first successor of the Apostle in Rome. (Kirsch J.P. Transcribed by Gerard Haffner. The Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume IX. Copyright © 1910 by Robert Appleton Company. Online Edition Copyright © 2003 by K. Knight. Nihil Obstat, October 1, 1910. Remy Lafort, Censor. Imprimatur. +John M. Farley, Archbishop of New York).
                          In other words, Roman Catholic scholars admit that Linus did not do what the Vatican book says he did, and that this head covering statement was arbitrarily attributed to Linus. He did not make it.
                          Custom
                          In some parts of the world, woman traditionally wear head ware to church services. Unless they are intending to imitate some pagan custom, there is no verse in the Bible that prohibits them from doing so. If due to style, custom, necessity (sun/rain/cold), or tradition, a woman wants to wear appropriate head ware, this seems to be fine. It is also fine if she thinks she needs to as Paul wrote, "We then who are strong ought to bear with the scruples of the weak, and not to please ourselves" (Romans 15:1) and "for whatever is not from faith is sin" (Romans 14:23). However, should other women be required to do so who do not believe they should not? No, as Paul also wrote, "1 Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things…13 Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother's way" (Romans 14:1,13).
                          Wearing veils is a doubtful thing. There is no requirement in the Old Testament, nor any example, of any woman wearing a veil while praying, prophesying, or attending services. There are several examples of males in the Old Testament wearing head gear while praying, prophesying, and attending services--but not a single one for women.
                          The con************************ of I Corinthians 11:2-16 is clearly hair. Hair is definitely and specifically mentioned. Although the Greek supports the concept that veils might be alluded to, this is only a possible allusion, not a clear requirement. While Peter clearly taught, "We ought to obey God rather than men" (Acts 5:29), he also supported the concept that the leadership of the Church is authorized to clarify unclear matters (Acts 15:6-29).
                          Conclusion
                          It is my understanding that a woman can be in the Church of God and wear a veil or other head covering as long as she is not trying to promote disputes over doubtful things. A woman can clearly be in the Church of God and not wear a veil or similar head covering. Even though some might conclude based on various interpretations of the Greek that veils may be the subject of I Corinthians 11:2-16, it is obvious when the entire Bible is reviewed that this is not the appropriate doctrinal interpretation.
                          The con************************ of I Corinthians 11:2-16 is clearly hair. There is simply insufficient ************************************ural justification to insist that women wear veils or similar head coverings to attend church services. Some may wish to believe otherwise, but that is not something they should be proclaiming. The ************************************ure is simply not clear enough to require veils and the judgment of the Church on this matter should be sufficiently proper for those who accept Philadelphia era Church governance. Hopefully those who prefer to hold a different position on veils will understand that the Church's judgment on this matter is appropriate.
                          Thiel B. Veils and Other Coverings. www.cogwriter.com (c) 2004/2005/2/2008/2012 0915
                          http://www.cogwriter.com/veils.htm


                          1.1.IV the Bible on women and their hair
                          Several people have written to The Refiner's Fire to enquire about the biblical stance on women's hair; specifically concerning hair covering and hair dying. This article examines all angles.
                          To begin with, let's see exactly what the Bible says about women's hair:
                          1 Corinthians 11: 3. And I desire that you know that the head of every man is the Mashiyach, and the head of the woman is the man, and the head of the Mashiyach is Elohim. 4. Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered, dishonors his head. 5. And every woman, who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered, dishonors her head; for she is on a level with her whose head is shaven. 6. For if a woman be not covered, let her also be shorn; but if it be shameful for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered....13. Judge for yourselves, among yourselves; is it becoming that a woman pray to Elohim with her head uncovered?[1] 14. Does not nature teach you that in a man, if his hair grows long, it is a reproach to him? 15. But for a woman, if her hair is abundant, it is a glory to her; for her hair is given to her for a covering.[1]
                          Footnotes:
                          [1] It's a shame for a man to grow long hair, if his goal is to look like a woman. Torah requires that there be a clear distinction between male and female (Deuteronomy 22:5). Each person must be clearly recognizable according to their natural birth gender. Long hair on a man is NOT the sole issue; those taking Nazarite vows wore long hair some for life (Samson) and others for a season. Paul himself took a Nazarite vow. Rav Shaul is teaching against pagan sexuality practices, of those who do things to make themselves appear as the opposite gender. This an issue of gender distinction and understanding the Image of Elohim in both male and female.
                          [2]Or rather, as an additional covering, i.e., on top of proper clothing for worship and having her head covered. This does not mean a woman's hair is in place of a head covering.
                          According to the passage above:
                          • It is disgraceful for women to shave their hair.
                          • "Abundant" hair is a glory.
                          • Women must pray with their heads covered; their hair does not count as a covering.
                          While "abundant" hair is a glory, this does not mean women cannot cut or curl their hair to make it look its best. Not everyone has the good fortune to be born with thick and/or luxurious hair, and there is nothing wrong with cutting it into a nice style that suits our faces and figures. We are simply not to cut our hair into anything resembling a "masculine" style. Our bodies are, after all, YHWH's vessels and we are commanded to take care of them, from top to bottom and the inside-out (1 Cor. 6:19):
                          1 Corinthians 6: 19. Or don't you know, that your body is the temple of the Ruach haKodesh who abides in you, whom you have received from Elohim? And you are not your own. 20. For you are bought with a price. Therefore you glorify Elohim with your body, and with your spirit, which are Elohim's.
                          Just like the Bible does not say women have to wear dresses (after all men wore "dresses" in the old days before pants were invented!), the Bible also does NOT say they cannot cut their hair. It just says women dishonor themselves if they shave their heads, as we saw above.
                          There are no discussions in the Bible concerning the dyeing of hair because that wasn't an issue until modern times. However, there are many references that suggest "elders" are wise men and women to be respected; that the "changing seasons" of our lives are normal and natural, and that growing old is basically a badge of honor, including the graying of our hair:
                          Proverbs 16: 31 Gray hair is a crown of glory; it is gained in a righteous life.
                          Since the Bible does not prohibit changing the color of our hair, in this particular case, it is probably safe to say that it's up to each individual to decide what to do. YHWH wants us to take care of ourselves and look our best (we are, after all His vessels!), and if dyeing our hair makes us look better, there seems to be no biblical reason why we shouldn't - unless, of course, one is going for something unnatural, such as people who dye their hair purple and green, etc. in their attempt to "stand out" and draw attention to themselves. (We must remember, this life is not all about us; it's about God and our preparation for meeting Him one day - spiritual preparation that includes staying in the Word and learning to obey His Torah.)
                          YHWH has always been adamant about the roles and conduct of each gender. He made it very clear that women are to "act feminine" and dress modestly:
                          Deuteronomy 22: 5 "A woman is not to wear men's clothing, and a man is not to put on women's clothing, for whoever does these things is detestable to ADONAI your God.
                          1 Timothy 2: 9. So also, that women (appear) in a chaste fashion of dress; and that their adorning be with modesty and chastity; not with curls or with gold, or with pearls, or with splendid robes; 10. but with good works as is becoming to women who profess reverence for Elohim.
                          1 Peter 3: 3. And don't adorn yourselves with the external ornaments of curls of the hair, or of golden trinkets or of costly garments. 4. But adorn yourselves in the hidden person of the heart with a mild and pure spirit, an ornament that is precious before Elohim. 5. For so also the Set Apart women of old who trusted in Elohim, adorned themselves and were subject to their husbands....
                          The above obviously shows that the wearing today's micro-miniskirts and revealing cleavage, etc., is not allowed or acceptable!
                          An interesting side note borrowed from the Aramaic English New Testament:
                          Torah teaches that the Image of Elohim is both male and female (B'resheet/Gen. 1:27), and we learn about the unique and unified female and male attributes of YHWH in the Netzer of Isaiah 11:1-4. Rav Shaul also addressed the nature of YHWH as male and female in Romans 1:26, 27 when he spoke of male and female "natures" which are part of the Image of Elohim. The male/female characteristics are qualities that bind male and female partners together, but in the fallen world these unique differences are used to divide and destroy.
                          The uniqueness of male and female attributes is heavily guarded within Torah. There are many Commandments that establish clear gender recognition, which shows distinct honor to both genders while upholding the Creator's male and female characteristics. Clearly YHWH has chosen to reveal Himself as a Father with a predominately masculine identity, but He also reveals Himself through both male and female spirits. The marriage of male and female is a picture of the divine unity within YHWH and His people. Marriage between man and woman is Set Apart unto YHWH and to be guarded by each follower of Mashiyach. It is paganism to uphold either male or female attributes over the other because they are equal; but, it is also paganism to displace the Set Apart roles of male and female that YHWH established by His Word.











                          King of Austria and his wife and their daughter
                          In 1916, in Vienna, Austria, the king presented his wife entirely veiled as shown below.



                          The queen was entirely covered because as the queen she was not to be looked by any man.
                          She was sacred and precious. And other veiled women were in the entourage also. All our Muslim women are sacred and precious, like a queen.
                          Note: This photo is not photo-shopped or morphed.
                          Its video still exists (2:15)
                          http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=473659579576

                          Not only the Queen, but many other women in the entourage also…. as in the video
                          See for yourself… seek and you will find.
                          Disclaimer: Just watch the video of Vienna, as a irrefutable historical proof,for the commentary has some controversial and questionable points of view.







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                            Translation

                            Part11
                            Christian Head covering

                            Introduction
                            1. Some History
                            Introduction


                            [COLOR=window************************]To have a better understanding of what ************************************ure is talking about we need to define some terms. First, the teaching of head covering for Christian women is a lesson in the New Testament. It's exemplified in the Old Testament, but no specific lesson is given. Where is the passage found? In the New Testament. What is its location? The epistle to the Corinthians from Paul the apostle. What is the con************************? He is speaking to them about general lessons, and then introduces the topic to them specifically. Finally, and most importantly who is he speaking to? Christians! One of the interesting aspects of this doctrine is that, like a couple of others, is mentioned only once. (see [COLOR=window************************]foot washing[/COLOR]) Many examples can be found but this is the "only" direct passage of it. [/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=window************************]There are two things that we should take note of before studying this passage. One, there are literally, and I do mean literally, thousands upon thousands of pages written on this very passage! If one were to do a search on the Internet you would be amazed at how many web sites, articles, books, and links to pages concerning this subject there is[/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=window************************]. Yet, it's rarely taught. Two, almost every article or book written on this subject states that "Paul says" we need to remember that Paul was used of Holy Spirit to convey God's mind on this matter, but it was not Paul himself that this teaching had its genesis. The main point I'm saying here is, it's a teaching that comes from God, and we should be very quick to obey Him. [/COLOR]
                            Below are the basic words from the Hebrew and Greek with definitions.
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                            [COLOR=window************************]1.[/COLOR]Some History[COLOR=window************************][/COLOR][COLOR=window************************][/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=window************************]"Some people today consider head-covering to be of purely local cultural significance at Corinth, or something which can be expressed differently according to the prevailing cultural background. This opinion cannot be correct because all New Testament churches, whether predominantly Jewish or predominately Gentile, had the same custom (1 Cor 11:16). This eliminates the possibility that the tradition was of purely temporary or cultural significance, as follows." (BIBLICAL AUTHORITY AND HEAD-COVERINGS by R H Johnston )[/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=window************************]If we start from the beginning we find that the earliest reference to a headcovering is found in Genesis 24:65.[/COLOR]
                            "For she [had] said unto the servant, What man [is] this that walketh in the field to meet us? And the servant [had] said, It [is] my master: therefore she took a vail, and covered herself."
                            [COLOR=window************************]In Genesis 6:1,2 we question what prompted the desire of the sons of God to go after the daughters of men? Perhaps they did not cover themselves?[/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=window************************]"And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose." [/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=window************************]The Hebrew word for saw in this passage carries the meaning to cause to look intently at, cause to gaze at, or give attention to. This also happens to be the same word to describe the perverted gaze of Ham, Noah's son, in Genesis 9:18. We also discover the passages in Genesis 38:14,19 concerning Tamar's duplicity.[/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=window************************]"And she put her widow's garments off from her, and covered her with a vail, and wrapped herself, and sat in an open place, which [is] by the way to Timnath; for she saw that ************************ah was grown, and she was not given unto him to wife…And she arose, and went away, and laid by her vail from her, and put on the garments of her widowhood." [/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=window************************]In this period of history women might have gone out without a vail. However, in the passage in which Rebekah "puts on a vail" it's because she is showing modesty and submissiveness. Tamar is practicing the custom of Canaanite goddess worship attire (see 2 Kings 23:7). Men in the Old Testament wore a headcovering of some kind like a turban, which is still in practice today in many Middle Eastern countries. We read of a "mitre" being issued to the priests for the ministry of the tabernacle Exodus 28:4, Leviticus 8:9, and Zechariah 3:5. Reference is also made in Ruth 3:15, and Isaiah 3:20,23; Song of Solomon 5:7 to vails and coverings for women.[/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=window************************]Jewish men wear a yarmulke Hebrew kipa skullcap. Some wear one at all times others only during prayer and at mealtime. The earliest Biblical reference to a headcovering is in Exodus 28:4 where it is called a mitznefet. It was part of the wardrobe of the High Priest. In other Biblical references the covering of the head and face is regarded as a sign of mourning (2 Samuel 15:30; Esther 6:12). [/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=window************************]The Talmud; however, associates the wearing of a head covering more with the concept of reverence to God and respect for men of stature. Yarmulke is a distorted form of the Hebrew words yaray may'Elokim meaning "in fear and awe of God." This idea is based, for the most part, on a statement made by a fifth-century Babylonian Talmudic scholar, Huna ben Joshua, who said, "I never walked four cubits with uncovered head because God dwells over my head" (from the Kiddushin 31a).[/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=window************************]As we move through the Old Testament into the New Testament we come across examples of those that were harlots not being covered in public (Luke 7:38; John 4). The New Testament teaches that harlots went uncovered while sober women went covered (1 Corinthians 11:1-16).[/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=window************************]"The Talmud states 'The sight of a woman’s hair constitutes an erotic stimulus (Berakhot 24A).' 'Jewish women, married or not, should not walk in the marketplace with their hair uncovered' (Shulhan Arukh, Even ha-Ezer 21:2)."[/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=window************************]In Biblical and Talmudic times women covered their heads with scarves or veils as a sign of chastity and modesty. To expose a woman's hair was considered a humiliation (Isaiah 2:17 and Berochot 24a). Some Talmudic scholars regarded the wearing of a head covering as an expression of guilt for their sin of Eve (Genesis 17:8).[/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=window************************]As we proceed with our examination of head coverings I would like to show a [COLOR=window************************]time line [/COLOR]of head coverings, or lack thereof, from early times to the present. As we have seen the idea of any modesty or conviction of the head covering began to cease in about the 1930's. It really began to take hold in the 1950's and from that point American women have grown more and more decadent and brazen in their appearance. [/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=window************************]"In this country women don't cover their heads anymore for no other reason than "that's the way we do it now" or "just because we don't cover them anymore." That's about as logical as saying, "I kill because I do." I've heard reasons like "that was for back then, in their time and culture" etc. Such reasoning is illogical and dishonest at best. It completely ignores the fact that even in this country, women wore them universally just over a hundred years ago."[/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=window************************]Below are various quotes, pro and con, as to the head covering. We simply quote them for comparison and in no way agree with all, parts, or positions of those quoted. [/COLOR]
                            Hermas (AD 150)
                            [COLOR=window************************]"A virgin meets me, adorned as if she were proceeding from the bridal chamber...her head was covered by a hood."[/COLOR]
                            Clement of Alexandria (153-217 a.d.)
                            [COLOR=window************************]Clement also understands the words in 1 Corinthians 11:5 to refer to a veil of fabric and not to a woman's hair.[/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=window************************]"And she will never fall, who puts before her eyes modesty, and her shawl; nor will she invite another to fall into sin by uncovering her face. For this is the wish of the Word, since it is becoming for her to pray veiled" [1 Corinthians 11:5 GLP].[/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=window************************]"It has also been commanded that the head should be veiled and the face covered. For it is a wicked thing for beauty to be a snare to men.[/COLOR]
                            Tertullian (AD 198)
                            [COLOR=window************************]"…Why do you uncover before God what you cover before men? Will you be more modest in public than in Church? Be veiled virgin."[/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=window************************]"How severe a chastisement will they likewise deserve, who during the psalms—and at every mention of God—remain uncovered." [/COLOR]
                            Hippolytus (170-236 a.d.)
                            [COLOR=window************************]To Hippolytus, a church father from Rome, is wrongly ascribed the following canon for worship (though perhaps wrongly ascribed to Hippolytus, it appears to represent the practice of the church of that time in worship).[/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=window************************]"Canon Seventeenth. Of virgins, that they should cover their faces and their heads."[/COLOR]
                            John Chrysostom (340-407 a.d.)
                            [COLOR=window************************]Chrysostom was the preacher of Antioch. The following excerpts are taken from Homily XXVI (1 Corinthians 11:2-16). Chrysostom identifies the problem Paul addresses in 1 Corinthians 11:2-16 as [/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=window************************]"Their women used to pray and prophesy unveiled and with their head bare." Especially to the point of a woman needing a separate head covering other than her long hair (cf. 1 Cor. 11:15) is the following remark: "' And if it be given her for a covering,' say you, 'wherefore need she add another covering?' That not nature only, but also her own will may have part in her acknowledgment of subjection. For that thou oughtest to be covered nature herself by anticipation enacted a law. Add now, I pray, thine own part also, that thou mayest not seem to subvert the very laws of nature; a proof of most insolent rashness, to buffet not only with us, but with nature also."[/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=window************************]"It follows that being covered is a mark of subjection and authority. For it induces her to look down and be ashamed and preserve entire her proper virtue. For the virtue and honor of the governed is to abide in his obedience." (Chrysostom.HOMILY XXVI. ON THE VEILING OF WOMEN.)[/COLOR]
                            Apostolic Constitutions (AD 390)
                            [COLOR=window************************]"When you are in the streets, cover your head. For by such a covering, you will avoid being viewed by idle persons…." [/COLOR]
                            Jerome (345-429 a.d.)
                            [COLOR=window************************]"Though ************************************ure does not endorse the practice of virgins shaving their heads (rather the ************************************ure condemns such a practice in 1 Corinthians 11:14-15), nevertheless Jerome is quoted here because he clearly understood Paul to be teaching that a woman ought to wear a fabric head covering upon her head (this is especially obvious in this case for the virgin's head was shaved of all hair). [/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=window************************]"It is usual in the monasteries of Egypt and Syria for virgins and widows who have vowed themselves to God and have renounced the world and have trodden under foot its pleasures, to ask the mothers of their communities to cut their hair; not that afterwards they go about with heads uncovered in defiance of the apostles command" [1 Corinthians 11:5]."[/COLOR]
                            Augustine (354-430 a.d.)
                            [COLOR=window************************]Augustine, post-apostolic theologian prior to the Reformation, quotes 1 Corinthians 11:4,7 with regard to men as follows: [/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=window************************]"'Every man praying or prophesying with veiled head shameth his head;' and, 'A man ought not to veil his head, forsomuch as he is the image and glory of God.'"Now if it is true of a man that he is not to veil his head, then the opposite is true of a woman, that she is to veil her head. "We ought not therefore so to understand that made in the image of the Supreme Trinity, that is, in the image of God, as that same image should be understood to be in three human beings; especially when the apostle says that the man is the image of God, and on that account removes the covering from his head, which he warns the woman to use, speaking thus: 'For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of the man.'" Augustine - (Cited in Nicene and Post Nicene Fathers, Schaff, ed. vol. 3, 523): [/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=window************************]"...especially when the Apostle says that the man is the image of God, and on that account, removes the covering from his head, which he warns the woman to use, speaking thus..." (quoting 1 Cor. 11:7.)[/COLOR]
                            AD 800
                            [COLOR=window************************]"It is likely that headgear for women was becoming more common by the seventh century. It seems that Christian morality (based on St Paul's edicts) was influential in this respect. By the eighth century it seems that headcoverings were worn by all women. It seems that a close fitting cap was worn by most women (perhaps similar to the slightly later caps from York and Dublin), which sometimes left the hair at the forehead and temples visible." (Angelcynn, Clothing and Appearance of the Early Christian Anglo-Saxons (c. 600-800 A.D.)[/COLOR]
                            AD 1100-1200
                            [COLOR=window************************]"In the 11th and 12th c. it is very unusual to see a man wearing a hat, though the women, unless they are very young or representing some virtue, inevitably have some sort of headdress on…while most women wore something that was more or less a derivative of a veil." [COLOR=window************************](sclark@epas.utoroto.ca[/COLOR] SusanCarroll-Clark)[/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=window************************]"Married women usually wore their hair gathered up into a knot at the back of the head, or coiled atop their head in some arrangement and often covered their hair with a cap, veil (hustrulinet) or headdress. Several sources indicate that it was mandatory that Norse women who were married wear a headcovering, however the actual archaeology doesn't seem to support this belief: "Many of the ninth and tenth century women's burials at Birka reveal no headcoverings at all, let alone graves in some other locations, although finds of headwear are more common in Christianized areas like Dublin and Jorv&iacute;k" (Carolyn Priest-Dorman, Mistress Thora Sharptooth, OL, Viking Women's Garb in Art and Archaeology)[/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=window************************]"…I have looked at dozens and hundreds of illuminations, pictures and medieval artifacts that portray people in the civilian dress of various periods and my observation is that you can't generalize. All through the Early Christian, Migration and Carolingian Eras you don't see many people with hats on, although you see an occasional crown, the women are inevitably veiled and many of the soldiers are wearing helmets."[/COLOR]
                            John Knox (1505-1572)
                            [COLOR=window************************]"First, I say, the woman in her greatest perfection was made to serve and obey man, not to rule and command him. As saint Paule doth reason in these wordes: 'Man is not of the woman, but the woman of the man. And man was created for the cause of the woman, but the woman for the cause of man; and therfore oght the woman to have a power upon her head,' (that is, a coverture in signe of subjection)."[/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=window************************]John Knox, First Blast of the Trumpet Against the Monstrous [i.e., against nature] Regiment [i.e., governing authority] of Women, in Works of John Knox, David Lang, ed. vol. 4, p 377: "...and therefore ought the woman to have a power on her head, that is, a coverture in signe of subjection." [/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=window************************]And again (p. 392): "Even so, (saith he) oght man and woman to appeare before God, bearing the ensigns of the condition whiche they have received of him. Man... oght he to appear before his high Majestie bearing the signe of his honour, havinge no coverature upon his heade...Beware Chrysostom what thou saist! thou shalt be reputed a traytor if Englishe men heare thee... He procedeth in these wordes, "But woman oght to be covered, to witnesse that in the earth, she had a head, that is man. Trewe it is, Chrysostom, woman is covered in both realmes, but it is not with a signe of subjection, but it is with the signe of superioritie, to witte, with the royal crowne." (Lest it bears saying, his "warning" to Chrysostom was sarcastic. In con************************, Knox agrees with Chrysostom and is quoting him against the Royalists.) [/COLOR]
                            John Calvin (1509-1564)
                            [COLOR=window************************]The theologian of the Reformation preached three sermons from 1 Corinthians 11:2-16 from which the following excerpts are taken. [/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=window************************]John Calvin (cited in Men, Women, and Order in the Church: 3 Sermons by John Calvin, by Seth Skolnitzky. Presbyterian Heritage Pub.):[/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=window************************]"So if women are thus permitted to have their heads uncovered and to show their hair, they will eventually be allowed to expose their entire breasts, and they will come to make their exhibitions as if it were a tavern show; they will become so brazen that modesty and shame will be no more; in short they will forget the duty of nature….So, when it is permissible for the women to uncover their heads, one will say, 'Well, what harm in uncovering the stomach also?' And then after that one will plead [for] something else: 'Now if the women go bareheaded, why not also [bare] this and [bare] that?' Then the men, for their part, will break loose too. In short, there will be no decency left, unless people contain themselves and respect what is proper and fitting, so as not to go headlong overboard."[/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=window************************]"Hence we infer that the woman has her hair given her for a covering. Should any one now object, that her hair is enough, as being a natural covering, Paul says that it is not, for it is such a covering as requires another thing to be made use of for covering it. And hence a conjecture is drawn, with some appearance of probability — that women who had beautiful hair were accustomed to uncover their heads for the purpose of showing off their beauty. It is not…" (John Calvin's Commentary on Head Coverings)[/COLOR]
                            George Gillespie (1613-1648)
                            [COLOR=window************************]Gillespie, the youngest commissioners at the Westminster Assembly, addresses the issue of women speaking as a voice of one in the public worship services of the church when he says:[/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=window************************]"But where find we that women who were prophetesses, and immediately inspired, were allowed to deliver their prophecy in the church? I suppose he had a respect to 1 Cor. xi:5, 'But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered, dishonoreth her head,' which is meant of the public assembly, for the Apostle is speaking of covering or uncovering the head in the church. . . . So that the Geneva annotation upon ver. 5, gives a good sense of that ************************, 'That women which show themselves in public and ecclesiastical assemblies, without the sign and token of their subjection, that is to say, uncovered, shame themselves.'"[/COLOR]
                            A Group of Presbyterian Ministers from London during the time of the Westminster Assembly (1646)
                            [COLOR=window************************]"The wife must have power (exousia) on her head, i.e., a veil is token of her husband's power over her (1 Cor. 11:10) …."[/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=window************************]"Yet a word to the Female Sex only, who come into the Assembly with their hair the most part uncovered, short to shorn, to the shame of their Natures as afore-shew'd: as they may read [Num.5.18.], that that Woman that had her hair uncovered before the Lord, in the Assembly or Worship of God, were only such Women that their Husbands accused them for being dishonest, so were tried by the Law for Jealousie. Mr. Ains. in his Annotations on the words, Uncover the Woman's head, note what the manner was, as the Hebrews write, that the Priest uncovered the Woman's hair, and untied the locks of her head to make her unseemly; hence saith the Apostle, Is it comely for a woman to pray unto God with her head, to wit, her hair, uncovered [I Cor.11.13.]? ...the name Vail, saith Mr. Ainsworth, on Song 5.7. hath its name in the original of spreading, as being spread over her head to cover her: such Vails were worn by Women, partly for ornament, as appeareth by Isai. 3.23. partly for modesty, and in sign of subjection to Men, especially their husbands, I Cor. 11.6,7,10." (Thomas Wall - To Defend the Head from the Superfluity of Naughtiness,1688)[/COLOR]
                            Henry Alford (1810-1871)
                            [COLOR=window************************]"[1 Corinthians 11] 2-16. The law of subjection of the woman to the man (2-12), and natural decency itself (13-16), teach that women should be veiled in public religious assemblies."[/COLOR]
                            Frederick Godet (1812-1900)[COLOR=window************************][/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=window************************]"The phrase [in 1 Corinthians 11:4], "'having down from the head,' that is to say, wearing a kerchief in the form of a veil coming down from the head over the shoulders. And since the woman does not naturally belong to public life, if it happen that in the spiritual domain she has to exercise a function which brings her into prominence, she ought to strive the more to put herself out of view by covering herself with the veil, which declares the dependence in which she remains relatively to her husband."[/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=window************************]In the 1830s Women kept their heads modestly covered most of the time. They wore "day caps" of fine linen or cotton, with ruffles around the face, and chin ties. These were even worn under the cape hood, or under the summer straw bonnet or winter quilted bonnet. Ladies of fashion wore elaborately decorated bonnets when they left home: flowers, feathers, lace, ribbons, ruchings and ruffles abounded.[/COLOR]
                            A. R. Fausset (1821-1910)
                            [COLOR=window************************]Fausset co-authored with David Brown and Robert Jamieson the work, A Commentary, Critical, Experimental, and Practical on the Old and New Testaments. [/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=window************************]"In putting away the veil, she puts away the badge of her subjection to man (which is her true 'honor'), and of her connection with Christ, man's Head. Moreover, the head covering was the emblem of maiden modesty before man (Gen. xxiv: 65), and chastity (Gen. xx: 16). By its unlawful excitement in assemblies is avoided, women not attracting attention. ************************************ure sanctions not the emancipation of woman from subjection: modesty is her true ornament." [/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=window************************]"It hath a threefold use, For decoration, as in Isa. iii. 23. 2. For a sign of modesty, pleaded for by the apostle, 1 Cor. xi. 6. 3. And mainly a sign of women's subjection to their own husbands..." (Banner of Truth reprint of 1840 edition; originally published posthumously in 1668. p 280. James Durham - Commentary on the Song of Solomon:Though Durham puts emphasis on it as a sign for wives, he notes the second use as a sign of modesty, which would be applicable to all Christian ladies.)[/COLOR]
                            M. R. Vincent (His Word Studies in the New Testament was published in 1886)
                            [COLOR=window************************]"The head-dress of Greek women consisted of nets, hair-bags, or kerchiefs, sometimes covering the whole head. A shawl which enveloped the body was also often thrown over the head, especially at marriages or funerals. This costume the Corinthian women had disused in the Christian assemblies, perhaps as an assertion of the abolition of sexual distinctions, and the spiritual equality of the woman with the man in the presence of Christ. This custom was discountenanced by Paul as striking at the divinely ordained subjection of the woman to the man."[/COLOR]
                            G. G. Findlay (no specific date cited for his work on 1 Corinthians in The Expositor's Greek New Testament, but it was written in the late 19th century)
                            [COLOR=window************************]"For a woman to discard the veil means to cast off masculine authority, which is a fixed part of the Divine order, like man's subordination to Christ (3 f.)."[/COLOR]
                            A. T. Robertson (His Word Pictures in the New Testament was published in 1931)
                            [COLOR=window************************]In commenting on 1 Corinthians 11:4 ("having his head covered"), he points out:[/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=window************************]"Literally, having a veil (kalumma understood) down from the head." Paul declares in 1 Corinthians 11:6, "Let her be veiled. . . . Let her cover up herself with the veil (down, kata, the Greek says, the veil hanging down from the head)."[/COLOR]
                            William Barclay, 1954
                            [COLOR=window************************]"The problem was whether or not in the Christian Church a woman had the right to take part in the service unveiled. Paul's answer was bluntly this the veil is always a sign of subjection; it is worn by an inferior in the presence of a superior; now woman is inferior to man, in the sense that man is head of the household; therefore it is wrong for a man to appear at public worship veiled and it is equally wrong for a woman to appear unveiled."[/COLOR]
                            John Murray (1898-1975) was Professor of Systematic Theology at Westminster Theological Seminary
                            [COLOR=window************************]These excerpts are taken from a letter to the Evangelical Presbyterian Church (Australia) concerning the matter of women being veiled in worship. [/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=window************************]"Since Paul appeals to the order of creation (Vss. 3b, vss 7ff), it is totally indefensible to suppose that what is in view and enjoined had only local or temporary relevance. The ordinance of creation is universally and perpetually applicable, as also are the implications for conduct arising therefrom."[/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=window************************]"I am convinced that a head covering is definitely in view forbidden for the man (Vss 4 & 7) and enjoined for the woman (Vss 5,6,15). In the case of the woman the covering is not simply her long hair. This supposition would make nonsense of verse 6. For the thought there is, that if she does not have a covering she might as well be shorn or shaven, a supposition without any force whatever if the hair covering is deemed sufficient." [/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=window************************]In 1970, Pope Paul VI promulgated the Roman Missal, ignoring mention of women’s veils. But at the time the missal was published, it didn’t seem necessary to keep mandatory such an obvious and universal practice, even if it no longer had a "normative" value (Inter insigniores, # 4). (THE VEIL Derived from a book in progress called: "The Unveiled Woman" by Jackie Freppon.)[/COLOR]
                            J. Vernon McGee (1904-1990)
                            [COLOR=window************************]"Apparently some of the women in the church at Corinth were saying, 'All things are lawful for me, therefore, I won't cover my head.' Paul says this should not be done because the veil is a mark of subjection."[/COLOR]
                            Charles Caldwell Ryrie (The Role of Women in the Church was published in 1958)
                            [COLOR=window************************]"If angels desire to look into things pertaining to salvation, then they should see as they look at veiled women in the assembly of Christians the voluntary submission of a woman to her head. Thus the early church (for this was the custom of the churches generally) while offering religious equality in spiritual privilege insisted on showing in public worship the principle of subordination of women by their being veiled."[/COLOR]
                            Albrect Oepke (A contributor to the highly acclaimed Theological Dictionary of the New Testament which was published in 1965)
                            [COLOR=window************************]"The veiling of women is a custom in Israel. A disgraced woman comes veiled to judgment (katakekalummene, Sus.32). Yet one may suspect that a woman muffled up (katekalupsato to prosopon) and lurking by the wayside is a harlot (Gn. 38:15). This opens the way for an understanding of the relevant NT passage. The veiling of women in the NT and the contemporary world." [/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=window************************]During the second Vatican Council, a mob of reporters waited for news after a council meeting. One of them asked Msgr. Annibale Bugnini, then secretary of the Vatican Congregation for Divine Worship, if women still had to wear a headcover in the churches. His response was that the Bishops were considering other issues, and that women’s veils were not on the agenda. The next day, the international press announced throughout the world that women did not have to wear the veil anymore. A few days later, Msgr. Bugnini told the press he was misquoted and women must still had to wear the veil. But the Press did not retract the error, and many women stopped wearing the veil as out of confusion and because of pressure from feminist groups.[/COLOR]
                            Robert H. Gundry (A Survey of the New Testament was published in 1970)
                            [COLOR=window************************]"Paul's instructions concerning the veiling of women also demand knowledge of prevailing ancient customs. It was proper in the Roman Empire for a respectable woman to veil herself in public. [/COLOR]
                            Bruce Waltke ("1 Corinthians 1:2-16:An Interpretation" was published in Bibliotheca Sacra in 1978)
                            [COLOR=window************************]"Although Paul does not use the word veil [kalumma GLP], it seems reasonable to suppose that he has this article of apparel in view. . . .To appear at the public assembly, then, with inappropriate headdress would disgrace one's head."[/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=window************************]Before the revision in 1983, Canon law had stated that women must cover their heads "...especially when they approach the holy table" (can.1262.2). But in order to reduce such a growing collection of books, the new version of Canon law was subjected to concise changes. In the process, mention of head coverings was omitted.[/COLOR]
                            Noel Weeks (The Sufficiency of ************************************ure was published in 1988)
                            [COLOR=window************************]"There is something ludicrous about being the head or authority while one at the same time hides one's physical head. It follows therefore that praying and prophesying are authoritative functions which call for an unveiled head, unshrouded head. Hence any woman engaging in those activities must also be bare-headed. Consequently Paul turns to what such unveiling must mean for the woman. In contrast to the man, when she prays or prophesies, the unveiling of her head must be dishonorable to her. What does it mean for a woman to be bare-headed? As Paul says, it is equivalent to being shaved or having her hair shorn off. That of course is dishonoring for a woman. Hence she should not uncover her head."[/COLOR]
                            Robert D. Culver (Contributed "A Traditional View" to Women in Ministry Four Views which was published in 1989)
                            [COLOR=window************************]"God distinguishes sharply between the sexes as to appearance and activity in formal Christian assemblies. A man's hair is to be short and his head uncovered by hat or shawl, while a woman's hair is to be uncut and, in visible recognition of submission to God's order, she is to wear an additional head covering in order to veil, not her face, but head."[/COLOR]
                            AD 2000
                            [COLOR=window************************]"Women are not required to wear a head covering, except when up on the bimah [the 'stage'' in front of the sanctuary]. However, women should feel free to cover their heads at other times. Any hat (including a kippah) will do just fine as a head covering; feel free to wear a fashionable hat." (Beth El Temple Center, AD 2000)[/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=window************************]"Orthodox women, according to the words of the holy Apostle Paul, go to God's church with covered heads. For nearly two thousand years now, this custom has been kept by faithful women and has been handed down from generation to generation. It is a custom not only of the local churches, but also of the Universal Church, and, therefore ­ whether we be in a Greek, in a Serbian or Russian church ­ the women in the church have their heads covered." (The Russian Orthodox Cathedral of St. John the Baptist, Washington, D.C.)[/COLOR]

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                            • [COLOR=window************************]Part III[/COLOR]
                              What others say[COLOR=window************************][/COLOR]
                              [COLOR=window************************]"We should, even in our dress and habit, avoid every thing that may dishonor Christ. The woman was made subject to man, because made for his help and comfort. And she should do nothing, in Christian assemblies, which looked like a claim of being equal. She ought to have "power," that is, a veil, on her head, because of the angels. Their presence should keep Christians from all that is wrong while in the worship of God…It was the common usage of the churches, for women to appear in public assemblies, and join in public worship, veiled; and it was right that they should do so. The Christian religion sanctions national customs wherever these are not against the great principles of truth and holiness; affected singularities receive no countenance from any thing in the Bible." (MATTHEW HENRY’S CONCISE COMMENTARY)[/COLOR]
                              [COLOR=window************************]"Every man praying or prophesying — Speaking by the immediate power of God, With his head and face covered either with a veil or with long hair dishonoreth his head. St. Paul seems to mean, as in these eastern nations veiling the head is a badge of subjection, so a man who prays or prophesies with a veil on his head, reflects a dishonor on Christ, whose representative he is. [/COLOR]
                              [COLOR=window************************]But every woman — Who, under an immediate impulse of the Spirit, (for then only was a woman suffered to speak in the church,) prays or prophesies without a veil on her face, as it were disclaims subjection, and reflects dishonor on man, her head. For it is the same, in effect, as if she cut her hair short, and wore it in the distinguishing form of the men. In those ages, men wore their hair exceeding short, as appears from the ancient statues and pictures. [/COLOR]
                              [COLOR=window************************]Therefore if a woman is not covered — If she will throw off the badge of subjection, let her appear with her hair cut like a man’s. But if it be shameful far a woman to appear thus in public, especially in a religious assembly, let her, for the same reason, keep on her veil. [/COLOR]
                              [COLOR=window************************]A man indeed ought not to veil his head, because he is the image of God — In the dominion he bears over the creation, representing the supreme dominion of God, which is his glory. But the woman is only matter of glory to the man, who has a becoming dominion over her. Therefore she ought not to appear, but with her head veiled, as a tacit acknowledgment of it. [/COLOR]
                              [COLOR=window************************]The man is not — In the first production of nature. For this cause also a woman ought to be veiled in the public assemblies, because of the angels — Who attend there, and before whom they should be careful not to do anything indecent or irregular." (JOHN WESLEY’S COMMENTARY ON 1 CORINTHIANS)[/COLOR]
                              [COLOR=window************************]"Having corrected the more private abuses which prevailed among the Corinthians, the apostle begins in this chapter to consider those which relate to the mode of conducting public worship. The first of these is the habit of women appearing in public without a veil. The veil in all eastern countries was, and to a great extent still is, the symbol of modesty and subjection. For a woman, therefore, in Corinth to discard the veil was to renounce her claim to modesty, and to refuse to recognize her subordination to her husband. The other was more in the fashion of the common eastern veil, which covered the face, with the exception of the eyes. In one form or other, the custom was universal for all respectable women to appear veiled in public. — The apostle therefore says, that a woman who speaks in public with her head uncovered, dishonoreth her head." (CHARLES HODGE’S COMMENTARY ON 1 CORINTHIANS)[/COLOR]
                              [COLOR=window************************]"Unveiled: without the peplum or shawl, which Greek women wore usually on their shoulders, but in public over their heads. Now when men stand uncovered before God, and women covered, they accept formally and visibly by their own action this distinction of sex and the position in reference to the other sex which God has given." (JOSEPH BEET’S COMMENTARY ON 1 CORTINTIANS 11)[/COLOR]
                              [COLOR=window************************]"The Puritan and Pilgrim women all wore one while working. Even later, the pioneers in the westward expansion were still wearing bonnets, both indoors and out. Pictures on the walls of the Roman catacombs show the early Christian women wearing one; the Samaritan woman was shown without one. Some old Bibles contain pictures replete with women in veils. The Samaritan woman[/COLOR]
                              [COLOR=window************************]We know from early church history that the woman's headcovering became the norm in Antioch, Rome, and Africa. The apostle Thomas took the practice of wearing the headcovering to India and the Christian women have been wearing the veil there ever since. The practice continues to appear with many of the Chinese, Asian, African, and Eastern European Christians. Women there wear one today just by learning from the ************************************ures, without any explanation to the contrary. [/COLOR]
                              [COLOR=window************************]In more recent history, there appears the Salvation Army bonnet in the 1700s and coverings amongst the early Methodists. Susanna Wesley wore one. Currently, the wife of Richard Wurmbrand (founder of The Voice of the Martyrs) wears one, as do many others. [/COLOR]
                              [COLOR=window************************]Why do brides wear a wedding veil? Is it not a vestigial remnant from an earlier practice? From where does the nurse’s cap come? And, of course, the nun’s black veil? Charles Finney said of any devout Christian practice, "You will appear eccentric. Your obedience will challenge others." [/COLOR]
                              [COLOR=window************************]Consider this from the early Church, who taught that "God is pleased to bless and answer the petitions of the women who takes her place in His divine order"[/COLOR]
                              [COLOR=window************************]"It cannot be unequivocally asserted, but the preponderance of evidence points toward the public head covering of women as a universal custom in the first century in both Jewish culture and Greco-Roman culture. The head covering itself seems to have been a part of the outer garment drawn up over the head of the woman like a hood; it may also have been a shawl covering just the hair, and in some places, an actual face veil. Evidently, however, some women in the Corinthian church began to avoid wearing the customary head covering, not only in public, but also in the church meetings. Apparently, what was taking place was that some women, in expressing their liberation, even Christian liberty, were rejecting subordination and with it the visible symbol of that subordination, the head covering." [/COLOR]
                              [COLOR=window************************]"It seems that it was the loose women, the prostitutes and the like, who did not wear such a covering. Women's hair was a prime object of male lust in the ancient Mediterranean world. Societies which employed head coverings thus viewed uncovered married women as unfaithful to their husbands, that is, seeking another man (virgins and prostitutes, conversely, were expected not to cover their heads, since they were looking for men)."[/COLOR]
                              Pro
                              [COLOR=window************************]"A Canadian-born Muslim woman has taken to wearing the traditional hijab scarf. It tends to make people see her as either a terrorist or a symbol of oppressed womanhood, but she finds the experience liberating." (Naheed Mustafa, A Muslim)[/COLOR]
                              [COLOR=window************************]The answer to the question is very simple - Muslim women observe HIJAB (covering the head and the body) because Allah has told them to do so. 'O Prophet, tell your wives and daughters and the believing women to draw their outer garments around them (when they go out or are among men). That is better in order that they may be known (to be Muslims) and not annoyed...' (Qur'an 33:59)."[/COLOR]
                              [COLOR=window************************]What a shame even the cult of Islam is devoted to their god to obey without question! emphasis mine.[/COLOR]
                              [COLOR=window************************]"Unless a woman has truly yielded to the submission of God's governmental plan, she should not wear headcovering. To do so would be hypocritical. It is to be symbolic of her willingness to bend her knee in submission and obedience to God's Word and His ordained governmental system. Wearing headcovering doesn't in any way make one more spiritual. Some who wear it, however, would say this step in obedience has resulted in a magnification of their sense of God's love and peace, and that since wearing it, they have noticed significant increase in spiritual strength, stability, and growth." (Karen McDaniel)[/COLOR]
                              [COLOR=window************************]"Some excuse their uncovered heads by citing verse 15, 'Her hair is given her for a covering.' Since she has hair, these assert, that is enough. Surely a careful reading of the ************************ would show such an interpretation to be a weak avoidance of the truth as it is set out. Notice that for the woman there are two glories involved. She is a glory: "The woman is the glory of the man" (v. 7). But she also has a glory of her own. Her hair is a glory to her (verse 15). For the glory that she is (the glory of the man), God has given her a natural covering, her long hair. For the glory that she has (her hair), she must submit her will to cover that with another covering which she places over her own glory." (J. Boyd Nicholson, Sr.) [/COLOR]
                              [COLOR=window************************]"Now some try and argue that the head covering women ought to have on their head which is spoken about in verses 4-13 is answered by a 'covering' of long hair in verses 14-15. In other words, Paul simply says that women ought to have long hair and not cut it short. This is appealing to Christian women in the United States where head coverings are not in fashion in the pagan culture. Sadly, it seems many Christian women desire to fit the culture's mold of what is physically "beautiful". Being bombarded with the magazine covers at the checkout line at the supermarket has taken its toll. Oh that Christian ladies could clearly see that those women on the magazine covers are nothing more than a parade of prostitutes. It might also be appealing since women were raised without headcoverings, so it would take some getting used to physically." (http://www.john14-6.org/Women.html#XII. What About Head Coverings?)[/COLOR]
                              Con
                              [COLOR=window************************]"Thus, since this was a custom which was in the Greek culture, it has no bearing on us today in America, as we have no such custom. Our custom has been that when a male enters a house (residence) or a house of worship that he removes his hat or head covering. May we continue this, out of respect, just as we "tip" our hat in the presence of a female. No, God does not demand that American women wear a head covering in a house of worship anymore than He does for us, as worshippers, to wash one another's feet (that is another article), or to greet one another with a holy kiss."[/COLOR]
                              [COLOR=window************************]"Recent teachings have gone forth that say a woman must be under a male's headship, or "covering," to be able to minister for the Lord. This has even been applied to women who are unmarried. These false teachings dictate they must be under the male leadership of some church if they are to speak or minister. This is far from the true teaching of God's Word. In the Old Testament…(Please note here, that I am not advocating that women refuse to be a part of a local church, but rather saying she may be the leader of a local church.)" (Betty Miller, http://www.bible.com/answers/acoverin.html)[/COLOR]
                              [COLOR=window************************]"In other words, early Christian women apparently either wore veils at all times while in public (which they admitted was a tradition, not a Biblical teaching), or only while praying or teaching (as the Bible is teaching in 1 Corinthians 11). Apparently they were not compelled to leave their long hair uncut, provided it remained long." (http://www.bibledoctrines.com/html/hairveil.htm)[/COLOR]
                              [COLOR=window************************]"Also, while wearing head coverings no longer speaks to our culture, there is an abiding principle in this ************************ that is applicable to the twentieth century…We cannot treat this complex question in detail, but the two most probable suggestions can be set forth: (1) The custom Paul recommends is for women to wear shawls. (2) Paul objects to long, loose hair that falls down the back; he wants women to follow the usual custom of piling their hair up on top of their heads. The problem with the Corinthian women, then, is that they were wearing their hair loose and flowing down their backs." (Thomas R. Schreiner) This person has some ambiguous conclusions about the truth of the ************************, emphasis mine.[/COLOR]
                              [COLOR=window************************]"Now I don't want to be unkind, but in my opinion a person must be totally brainwashed to read this ************************ and in all sincerity and earnestness conclude it says what Shepherdship proponents and adherents assert it says. Indeed, this ************************ has been used as a premise for a number of pretty silly and bizarre notions, ranging from the role of women in the church all the way to the assertion that God is saying here that women are supposed to wear little doilies on their heads when they attend church. The second primary conceptual error on which the heretical Discipleship/Shepherdship doctrines are established, is the matter of "spiritual covering." Indeed, so-called "spiritual covering" is the very centerpiece of these wholly unBiblical teachings and the hyper-authoritarianism they engender." [/COLOR]
                              [COLOR=window************************]"Let me begin by speaking plainly and directly: "spiritual covering" as theorized by the Discipleship theosophy is an absolute myth. No semblance of the Discipleship teaching version of "spiritual covering" exists anywhere within the pages of ************************************ure. "Spiritual covering," in the vein it is presented by proponents of these hyper-authoritarian teachings, is an outright deception! It is a complete fabrication concocted by the originators of these fallacious doctrines as a supposed pre************************ for facilitation of purely self-aggrandizing objectives of subjugation, domination, and control." (Steven Lambert, ThD)[/COLOR]
                              [COLOR=window************************]"On the evening of 16 November 1986 whilst reading the eleventh chapter of Paul's first letter to the Corinthians, I was overcome by the Spirit and began to understand the true meaning of what the apostle had written. In reading the first sixteen verses I reflected on what I had been taught in the churches, viz. that the practice of women covering their heads during public worship was a local custom and not applic- able to our day." (The Olive Branch,http://www.nccg.org/.html)[/COLOR]
                              [COLOR=window************************]"…the wearing of a veil by a Christian woman is unnecessary, as that is not a valid symbol of submission in our culture. And the wearing of a hat is even more unneccessary, as the womanly wearing of hats is often a sign of predatory aggression rather than submission in the Western world — especially the fruited variety which appears on high days and holy days!!! Fortunately, a woman's hair has been given to her as a covering -- a glory to her, in fact -- and it will act as a sign of her womanly submission, so she doesn't need to feel intimidated into wearing any kind of hat by another Christian." (Alan Morrison)[/COLOR]
                              [COLOR=window************************]"It is proper for a woman to have a symbol of authority upon her head; what that symbol consists of does not matter, but the necessity of the symbol remains fixed even as the authority of man remains fixed. The woman's covering is called "power," but it is a symbol of another's authority, not her own, just as the references to glory in verses 7 and 15 speak of the subjection to another's authority." (Tabletalk, June 21, 1996).[/COLOR]

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                                Part IV
                                History
                                [COLOR=window************************]French held in 586 AD conference to discuss: Is the man or women is a human being? ![/COLOR]
                                [COLOR=window************************]Does it have the spirit or do not have the spirit? And if they have the spirit of Will is the spirit of the animal or the human spirit?[/COLOR]
                                [COLOR=window************************]If the human spirit that is it at the level of the spirit of the man or lower them?[/COLOR]
                                [COLOR=window************************]And finally decided it was human, but created to serve men only. The women at the birth of church says Dahen Atalmn Come help of the Lord to take revenge on them.[/COLOR]
                                [COLOR=window************************]The English Parliament passed a resolution in the era of Henry VIII of England women are forbidden to read the book (New Testament); because they are considered impure.[/COLOR]
                                [COLOR=window************************]In England, a royal order was issued by Henry VIII prohibits women from reading the Bible, women did not have until 1882 the right to own property.[/COLOR]
                                [COLOR=window************************]The woman's personality in England obscured her personality is not released this stone but by the year 1870, then a law was passed in 1883 on behalf of and under the ownership of married raise from this stone.[/COLOR]
                                [COLOR=window************************]In Italy, took out a law passed in 1919 women of number interdicted.[/COLOR]
                                [COLOR=window************************]In Germany and Switzerland amended laws passed in the early twentieth century stone bases on women, and became a wife like her husband's rights.[/COLOR]
                                [COLOR=window************************]In the fifth century Christian consensus that women are devoid of soul survivor of the torments of hell except the mother of Jesus, and asked Are women human being or not a human being? .[/COLOR]
                                [COLOR=window************************]And on the ruins of Christian civilization came material civilization to fully reversible where Christianity was considered monastic celibacy and repression symbol of HH rights; That came condition decomposition, debauched, and communal sexual reaction to what she did the church, Voaidt women to life of the jungle, and have become a commodity and commercial publicity attached to her image vulgar merchandise, to be a symbol of commercial propaganda.[/COLOR]
                                [COLOR=window************************](It is important here to decide headstrong perception of women after the coup Europe from the yoke of the church, and perceptions of the church, and its evils - during this - for God, and his approach to life, and the separation of sexual pleasure in gender relations, and goals of humanity, then goals animal) ..[/COLOR]
                                And thus unleashed the so-called women's liberation; to destroy all moral values ​​and innate, and the disintegration of the bonds family links (and liberated women ... and liberate people from the constraints of religion, ethics, and traditions, and become pornography religion recognized, facilitated by the state, and carried out by, and licensed Bmzaweltha in each place ... and recruit - under heard her sight - all the forces to call them, books, research, and stories, and the press, radio, cinema, and television.
                                [COLOR=window************************]Says "Will Durant" in his book "The Pleasures of Philosophy:" We face again the problem that worry Pal Socrates. We mean how guided to replace natural ethics balances upper champion impact on people's behavior? We squander our social heritage of this corruption immoral ...) [c 1 / r 6][/COLOR]
                                [COLOR=window************************]He says his book (America that I saw): (she said to me one girls American Institute of Teachers (Greeley Colorado) during a debate on the social life in America: The question of sexual relations issue biological purely, and you - Weavers - think this issue is simple to enter the element of moral , Persian Valhassan, and bull and cow, ram and ewe, parents and BASS ... I do not think one of them in this morality tale, which is engaged in sexual contact, so go easy simple comfortable life!!!) ..[/COLOR]
                                [COLOR=window************************]Not satisfied with all this degradation, but over what is the most terrible and heinous, They began same-sex marriage on the eyes and ears of the whole world, and passed by the British Parliament.[/COLOR]
                                [COLOR=window************************]This is the nature of Western thought in the relationship with the woman relationship animal is not, say, "Will Durant:" (and what their marriage was not a marriage in the true sense - because it linked a sexual bond paternity - it corrupts for losing the basis for, and the necessities of life. Die this marriage for separation from life, and kind, and shrinks the couple themselves alone if they were pieces separate. and ending heterosexual in love to individual sends pressure life Purim, and return to man his desire natural diversification while lead familiarity to cynicism, it is not a woman's new effort than put forth) [men and women in modern society.[/COLOR]
                                Practical Application:[COLOR=window************************][/COLOR][COLOR=window************************]Those called out, elected, Godly, remnant, saints of God, Christian women should wear a head covering while praying or prophesying (reading or speaking God's word the Bible) and while coming together as the Church (called out ones) in fellowship. It is a matter of proper order and submission. The submissive woman who knows her place (which modern day culture in America seeks to remove) and happily wears the head covering because it is a reminder of her subjection to her husband, and men in the body of Christ, and ultimately her God. [/COLOR]
                                1- Common opinion concerning chapter divisions attributes them to Cardinal Hugo of Saint Cher for use in his concordance to the Latin Vulgate (c. 1240, first printed, with modification, at Bologna, 1479). This opinion rests on the direct testimony of Gilbert Genebrard (d. 1597), that "the scholastics who with Cardinal Hugo were authors of the concordance" made the division...The better opinion is, that Stephen Langton, archbishop of Canterbury (d. 1228), made the chapter division to facilitate citation. Before the invention of printing it had already passed from Latin manu************************************s to those of other tongues, and after the invention of printing it became general. It has undergone slight variations from the beginning to the present day. Many early printed Bibles, especially Greek Testaments, besides these chapters retain also the old breves or titloi noted in the margin. (see above, II, 1, § 5). The chapters were at first subdivided into seven portions (not paragraphs), marked in the margin by the letters A, B, C, D, E, F, G, reference being made by the chapter number and the letter under which the passage occurred. The first portion of the Bible printed with the Masoretic verses numbered was the Psalterium Quincuplex of Faber Stapulensis, printed at Paris by Henry Stephens in 1509. In 1528 Sanctes Pagninus published at Lyons a new Latin version of the whole Bible with the Masoretic verses marked and numbered. He also divided the Apocrypha and New Testament into numbered verses; but these were three or four times as long as the present ones. The present New Testament verses were introduced by Robert Stephens in his Greco-Latin Testament of 1551 (see above, II, 2, § 2). Stephens says in his preface that the division is made to follow the most ancient Greek and Latin copies.
                                Veiling








                                For 2,000 years, Catholic women have veiled themselves before entering a church or any time they are in the presence of the Blessed Sacrament (e.g., during
                                sick calls). It was written into the 1917 Code of Canon Law, Canon 1262, that women must cover their heads -- "especially when they approach the holy table" ("mulieres autem, capite cooperto et modeste vestitae, maxime cum ad mensam Dominicam accedunt") -- but during the Second Vatican Council, Bugnini (the same Freemason who designed the Novus Ordo Mass) was asked by journalists if women would still have to cover their heads. His reply, perhaps innocently enough, was that the issue was not being discussed. The journalists (as journalists are wont to do with Church teaching) took his answer as a "no," and printed their misinformation in newspapers all over the world. <SUP>1</SUP> Since then, many, if not most, Catholic women have lost the tradition.

                                After so many years of many women forgetting or positively repudiating the veil, clerics, not wanting to be confrontational or upset radical feminists, pretended the issue didn't exist. When the 1983 Code of Canon Law was produced, veiling was simply not mentioned (not abrogated, mind you, but simply not mentioned). However, Canons 20-21 of the 1983 Code of Canon Law make clear that later Canon Law abrogates earlier Canon Law only when this is made explicit and that, in cases of doubt, the revocation of earlier law is not to be presumed; quite the opposite:

                                Canon 20 A later law abrogates or derogates from an earlier law, if it expressly so states, or if it is directly contrary to that law, or if it integrally reorders the whole subject matter of the earlier law. A universal law, however, does not derogate from a particular or from a special law, unless the law expressly provides otherwise.

                                Canon 21 In doubt, the revocation of a previous law is not presumed; rather, later laws are to be related to earlier ones and, as far as possible, harmonized with them.
                                [COLOR=window************************]Canons 27 and 28 add to the argument:
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                                Canon 27 Custom is the best interpreter of laws.

                                Canon 28 Without prejudice to the provisions of can. 5, a custom, whether contrary to or apart from the law, is revoked by a contrary custom or law. But unless the law makes express mention of them, it does not revoke centennial or immemorial customs, nor does a universal law revoke particular customs.
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                                [COLOR=window************************]Christian veiling is a very serious matter, one that concerns two millennia of Church Tradition -- whch extends back to Old Testament tradition and to New Testament admonitions. St. Paul wrote. [/COLOR][COLOR=window************************][/COLOR]
                                1 Corinthians 11:1-17:
                                Be ye followers of me, as I also am of Christ. Now I praise you, brethren, that in all things you are mindful of me and keep my ordinances as I have delivered them to you. But I would have you know that the head of every man is Christ: and the head of the woman is the man: and the head of Christ is God. Every man praying or prophesying with his head covered disgraceth his head. But every woman praying or prophesying with her head not covered disgraceth her head: for it is all one as if she were shaven. For if a woman be not covered, let her be shorn. But if it be a shame to a woman to be shorn or made bald, let her cover her head. The man indeed ought not to cover his head: because he is the image and glory of God. But the woman is the glory of the man. For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man [c.f. Genesis 2-3]. For the man was not created for the woman: but the woman for the man. Therefore ought the woman to have a power over her head, because of the angels. But yet neither is the man without the woman, nor the woman without the man, in the Lord. For as the woman is of the man, so also is the man by the woman: but all things of God. You yourselves judge. Doth it become a woman to pray unto God uncovered? Doth not even nature itself teach you that a man indeed, if he nourish his hair, it is a shame unto him? But if a woman nourish her hair, it is a glory to her; for her hair is given to her for a covering. But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, nor the Church of God [i.e., if anyone want to complain about this, we have no other way of doing things, this is our practice; all the churches believe the same way]. Now this I ordain: not praising you, that you come together, not for the better, but for the worse.
                                [COLOR=window************************]According to St. Paul, we women veil ourselves as a sign that His glory, not ours, should be the focus at worship, and as a sign of our submission to authority. It is an outward sign of our recognizing headship, both of God and our husbands (or fathers, as the case may be), and a sign of our respecting the presence of the Holy Angels at the Divine Liturgy. In veiling, we reflect the divine invisible order and make it visible. This St. Paul presents clearly as an ordinance, one that is the practice of all the churches.

                                Some women, influenced by the thoughts of "Christian" feminists, believe that St. Paul was speaking as a man of his time, and that this ordinance no longer applies. They use the same arguments that homosexualists make in trying to prove their case. In this quote, homosexualist Rollan McCleary, who believes that Jesus was "gay," tries to show that Paul's admonitions against homosexuality were culturally
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                                In the New Testament, the Apostle Paul writes about "men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due" (Romans 1:27).

                                Asked about these ************************s, McCleary said references in the ************************************ures to homosexuality were misunderstood or taken out of con************************.

                                "In those days they didn't have kind of concept of homosexuality as an identity such as we have it," he argued. "It has much more to do with other factors in society ... homosexuality was associated with idolatrous practices."

                                In the case of Paul's writings, he continued, "does everybody agree with St. Paul on slavery [or] on women wearing hats? There is such a thing as historical con************************."
                                [COLOR=window************************]Of course we Catholics agree with St. Paul on slavery (St. Paul wasn't talking about chattel slavery, by the way), and on veiling, and on everything else! Please! But the liberal above makes a point: if Christians want to reject veiling, why not reject the other things St. Paul has to say? The traditional Catholic woman has the snappy comeback to the defiant homosexualist: "we do veil ourselves and don't disagree with St. Paul!" But what leg do the uncovered women have to stand on? And what other ************************************ural admonitions can they disregard on a whim -- or because of following the bad example of a generation of foolish or misled Catholic women who disregarded them?

                                Now, I ask my readers to re-read the Biblical passage about veiling and note well that St. Paul was never intimidated about breaking unnecessary taboos. It was he who emphasized over and over again that circumcision and the entire Mosaic Law were not necessary -- and this as he was speaking to Hebrew Christians! No, the tradition and ordinance of veiling is not a matter of Paul being influenced by his culture; it is a symbol that is as relevant as the priest's cassock and the nun's habit.

                                Note, too, that Paul is in no way being "misogynist" here. He assures us that, while woman is made for the glory of the man even as man is made for the glory of God, "yet neither is the man without the woman, nor the woman without the man, in the Lord. For as the woman is of the man, so also is the man by the woman: but all things of God." Men need women, women need men. But we have different roles, each equal in dignity -- and all for the glory of God (and, of course, we are to treat each other absolutely equally in the order of charity!).The veil is a sign of our recognizing these differences in roles.

                                The veil, too, is a sign of
                                [COLOR=window************************]modesty[/COLOR] and chastity. In Old Testament times, uncovering a woman's head was seen as a way to humiliate a woman or to punish adultresses and those women who transgressed the Law (e.g.., Numbers 5:12-18, Isaias 3:16-17, Song of Solomon 5:7). A Hebrew woman wouldn't have dreamed of entering the Temple (or later, the synagogue) without covering her head. This practice is simply carried on by the Church (as it is also by Orthodox Christians and even by "Orthodox" women of the post-Temple Jewish religion today).
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                                [COLOR=window************************][/COLOR]That which is Veiled is a Holy Vessel
                                [COLOR=window************************]Note what Paul says, "But if a woman nourish her hair, it is a glory to her; for her hair is given to her for a covering." We don't veil ourselves because of some "primordial" sense of femine shame; we are covering our glory so that He may be glorified instead. We cover ourselves because we are holy -- and because feminine beauty is incredibly powerful. If you don't believe me, consider how the image of "woman" is used to sell everything from shampoo to used cars. We women need to understand the power of the feminine and act accordingly by following the rules of modest attire, including the use of the veil.

                                By surrendering our glory to the headship of our husbands and to God, we surrender to them in the same way that the Blessed Virgin surrendered herself to the Holy Ghost ("Be it done to me according to Thy will!"); the veil is a sign as powerful -- and beautiful -- as when a man bends on one knee to ask his girl to marry him.

                                Now, think of what else was veiled in the Old Testament -- the Holy of Holies!
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                                Hebrews 9:1-8
                                The former [Old Covenant] indeed had also justifications of divine service and a sanctuary. For there was a tabernacle made the first, wherein were the candlesticks and the table and the setting forth of loaves, which is called the Holy. And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holy of Holies: Having a golden censer and the ark of the testament covered about on every part with gold, in which was a golden pot that had manna and the rod of Aaron that had blossomed and the tables of the testament. And over it were the cherubims of glory overshadowing the propitiatory: of which it is not needful to speak now particularly. Now these things being thus ordered, into the first tabernacle, the priests indeed always entered, accomplishing the offices of sacrifices. But into the second, the high priest alone, once a year: not without blood, which he offereth for his own and the people's ignorance: The Holy Ghost signifying this: That the way into the Holies was not yet made manifest, whilst the former tabernacle was yet standing.
                                [COLOR=window************************]...The Ark of the Old Covenant was kept in the veiled Holy of Holies. And at Mass, what is kept veiled until the Offertory? The Chalice -- the vessel that holds the Precious Blood! And, between Masses, what is veiled? The Ciborium in the Tabernacle, the vessel which holds the very Body of Christ. These vessels of life are veiled because they are holy!

                                And who is veiled? Who is the All Holy, the Ark of the New Covenant, the Vessel of the True Life? Our Lady -- and by wearing the veil, we imitate her and affirm ourselves as women, as vessels of life.

                                This one superficially small act is:
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                                • so rich with symbolism: of submission to authority; of surrender to God; of the imitation of Our Lady as a woman who uttered her "fiat!"; of covering our glory for His glory; of modesty; of chastity, of our being vessels of life like the Chalice, the Ciborium and, most especially, Our Lady;
                                • an Apostolic ordinance -- with roots deep in the Old Testament -- and, therefore, a matter of intrinsic Tradition;
                                • the way Catholic women have worshipped for two millennia (i.e., even if it weren't a matter of Sacred Tradition in the intrinsic sense, it is, at the least, a matter of ecclesiastical tradition, which also must be upheld). It is our heritage, a part of Catholic culture;
                                • pragmatic: it leaves one free to worry less about "bad hair days";
                                • and for the rebels out there, it is counter-cultural nowadays, you must admit!
                                [COLOR=window************************]The question I'd like answered is, "Why would any Catholic woman not want to veil herself?" [/COLOR][COLOR=window************************][/COLOR]
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                                Face Veil traditions in Judaism and Christianity
                                Some examples of bridal face veils
                                King James 2000 Bible
                                For she had said unto the servant, What man is this that walks in the field to meet us? And the servant had said, It is my master: therefore she took a veil, and covered herself
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                                Below: Christian women in prayer

                                Catholic nuns from the Missionaries of Charity order sing hymns for a special prayer during the eleventh death anniversary of Mother Teresa in the eastern Indian city of Kolkata September 5, 2008. Mother Teresa was a Nobel Peace Prize-winning nun who died in 1997, and was beatified by Pope John Paul II in 2003 at the Vatican.
                                Mother Teresa

                                REUTERS/Jayanta Shaw

                                The woman's husband went
                                In the Middle Ages in Europe, it was the duty of the married woman to wear a cover for the neck and chin now cover the head called wimple
                                Photo of some of their own statues









                                A denomination of Christian nuns who are completely veiled from head to toe.
                                The point is that the face veil is NOT the inventions of the Muslims, but practiced where humans value chastity, and the role of marriage in life .

                                A Personal Note:
                                I remember a Christian Assembly of God preacher and missionary, Ron Peck, in the mid western USA state of Missouri, in all honesty and pride of this noble tradition, telling me that his grandmother NEVER went to church on any Sunday without a full face veil. This speaks volumes about the religious traditions in the USA in the times when modesty, chastity, and propriety were dominate among the people.

                                Pilgrim nuns climb Rome’s Scala Santa (Holy Steps) on their knees.



                                Some examples of funeral face veils For instance, who alive at the time of the assassination (conspiracy) of President John F Kennedy, can forget Jackie Kennedy at her husband’s funeral




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